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	<title>Comments on: Opera is working on a new JavaScript engine</title>
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		<title>By: Sniff</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-is-working-on-a-new-javascript-engine.html/comment-page-1#comment-75293</link>
		<dc:creator>Sniff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@j4

&lt;blockquote&gt;problem is, that no one cares any longer about widgets. iPhone browser shows that you do not need to constraint yourself to ‘poor man’ version of internet’ (widgets) when you can run full-fledged webApps with no problems.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Widgets aren&#039;t supposed to be a replacement. Widgets are a platform to develop applications. Instead of developing native applications for each platform, which is expensive and time-consuming, you can develop widgets, and they will run on all platforms that the browser runs on. In addition to that, widgets are cheaper and faster to make than native apps.

Way to miss the point.

In case you didn&#039;t notice, Opera offers a full browser &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; widgets at the same time. They complement each other.

&lt;blockquote&gt;widgets werent that hot even two years ago, when there were not so many smartPhones, now widgets are things of a past, noone needs them - phones are MUCH more powerfull, they can cope with normal javascript, some with flash etc. no need for stopgap solutions&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Widgets &lt;b&gt;use normal JavaScript&lt;/b&gt;. Clueless much?

Applications are &quot;stopgap solutins&quot;? Huh?

&lt;blockquote&gt;as for the JS engine - good to hear, but if it isnt going to be in 10 final, then there is nothing to talk about.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nonsense. It&#039;s good to know that Opera is not going to give up on the speed race. Opera has a history of being the fastest browser, and they clearly intend to keep it that way.</description>
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<blockquote><p>problem is, that no one cares any longer about widgets. iPhone browser shows that you do not need to constraint yourself to ‘poor man’ version of internet’ (widgets) when you can run full-fledged webApps with no problems.</p></blockquote>
<p>Widgets aren&#8217;t supposed to be a replacement. Widgets are a platform to develop applications. Instead of developing native applications for each platform, which is expensive and time-consuming, you can develop widgets, and they will run on all platforms that the browser runs on. In addition to that, widgets are cheaper and faster to make than native apps.</p>
<p>Way to miss the point.</p>
<p>In case you didn&#8217;t notice, Opera offers a full browser <b>and</b> widgets at the same time. They complement each other.</p>
<blockquote><p>widgets werent that hot even two years ago, when there were not so many smartPhones, now widgets are things of a past, noone needs them &#8211; phones are MUCH more powerfull, they can cope with normal javascript, some with flash etc. no need for stopgap solutions</p></blockquote>
<p>Widgets <b>use normal JavaScript</b>. Clueless much?</p>
<p>Applications are &#8220;stopgap solutins&#8221;? Huh?</p>
<blockquote><p>as for the JS engine &#8211; good to hear, but if it isnt going to be in 10 final, then there is nothing to talk about.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nonsense. It&#8217;s good to know that Opera is not going to give up on the speed race. Opera has a history of being the fastest browser, and they clearly intend to keep it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: j4</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-is-working-on-a-new-javascript-engine.html/comment-page-1#comment-75285</link>
		<dc:creator>j4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it might be true, but what is the point of widgets then?

I saw some explainations to their existence as a &#039;way to create rich applications&#039;.. why to develop YET another standard, instead use existing rich applications like gmail, yahoo mail or so many other sites (that do not work properly in opera..) can now be launched on iphone or g1 or other webkit-enabled phones with ABSOLUTELY no problems?

maybe the time spent on widgets should have been used to make opera rendering engine better or &#039;less strict&#039; or &#039;more in line with leading ones (gecko) in terms of standard interpretation&#039;. Opera&#039; many problems are caused by opera taking its own way in &#039;gray areas&#039; of w3c specs. sadly, noone cares about it, and in these areas opera fails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it might be true, but what is the point of widgets then?</p>
<p>I saw some explainations to their existence as a &#8216;way to create rich applications&#8217;.. why to develop YET another standard, instead use existing rich applications like gmail, yahoo mail or so many other sites (that do not work properly in opera..) can now be launched on iphone or g1 or other webkit-enabled phones with ABSOLUTELY no problems?</p>
<p>maybe the time spent on widgets should have been used to make opera rendering engine better or &#8216;less strict&#8217; or &#8216;more in line with leading ones (gecko) in terms of standard interpretation&#8217;. Opera&#8217; many problems are caused by opera taking its own way in &#8216;gray areas&#8217; of w3c specs. sadly, noone cares about it, and in these areas opera fails.</p>
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		<title>By: nilsson</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-is-working-on-a-new-javascript-engine.html/comment-page-1#comment-75280</link>
		<dc:creator>nilsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j4, I think you&#039;ve misunderstood widgets. That widgets should be less resource intense than web pages have never been an objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j4, I think you&#8217;ve misunderstood widgets. That widgets should be less resource intense than web pages have never been an objective.</p>
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		<title>By: j4</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-is-working-on-a-new-javascript-engine.html/comment-page-1#comment-75266</link>
		<dc:creator>j4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>problem is, that no one cares any longer about widgets. iPhone browser shows that you do not need to constraint yourself to &#039;poor man&#039; version of internet&#039; (widgets) when you can run full-fledged webApps with no problems.

widgets werent that hot even two years ago, when there were not so many smartPhones, now widgets are things of a past, noone needs them - phones are MUCH more powerfull, they can cope with normal javascript, some with flash etc. no need for stopgap solutions

as for the JS engine - good to hear, but if it isnt going to be in 10 final, then there is nothing to talk about. look at dragonfly, it was released (it wasnt released really, but anyway) one year too late, and nobody gives a damn..

&quot;We will end up making those that don’t support opera feel silly for not doing do&quot;

my company doesnt support opera in our products, and we dont feel silly, it is a matter of business decision - is 4% worth spending 30% more? in our case it wasnt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>problem is, that no one cares any longer about widgets. iPhone browser shows that you do not need to constraint yourself to &#8216;poor man&#8217; version of internet&#8217; (widgets) when you can run full-fledged webApps with no problems.</p>
<p>widgets werent that hot even two years ago, when there were not so many smartPhones, now widgets are things of a past, noone needs them &#8211; phones are MUCH more powerfull, they can cope with normal javascript, some with flash etc. no need for stopgap solutions</p>
<p>as for the JS engine &#8211; good to hear, but if it isnt going to be in 10 final, then there is nothing to talk about. look at dragonfly, it was released (it wasnt released really, but anyway) one year too late, and nobody gives a damn..</p>
<p>&#8220;We will end up making those that don’t support opera feel silly for not doing do&#8221;</p>
<p>my company doesnt support opera in our products, and we dont feel silly, it is a matter of business decision &#8211; is 4% worth spending 30% more? in our case it wasnt.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliahu</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-is-working-on-a-new-javascript-engine.html/comment-page-1#comment-75242</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliahu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m waiting eagerly. I hope it comes out this year. We will end up making those that don&#039;t support opera feel silly for not doing do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting eagerly. I hope it comes out this year. We will end up making those that don&#8217;t support opera feel silly for not doing do</p>
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		<title>By: bertz</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-is-working-on-a-new-javascript-engine.html/comment-page-1#comment-75240</link>
		<dc:creator>bertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please someone devellop a freemail notifier within opera-desktop! would be tooo great.

example: Firefox webmail notifier ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please someone devellop a freemail notifier within opera-desktop! would be tooo great.</p>
<p>example: Firefox webmail notifier &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Goldman</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-is-working-on-a-new-javascript-engine.html/comment-page-1#comment-75238</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grin, yup. SDK is what I meant. I&#039;ve been doing Java for a bit ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grin, yup. SDK is what I meant. I&#8217;ve been doing Java for a bit <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SZoPer</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-is-working-on-a-new-javascript-engine.html/comment-page-1#comment-75237</link>
		<dc:creator>SZoPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cousin333: Thanks for the interview link. Questions are very good - the ones I&#039;ve always wanted to ask ;) But unfortunately most of the answers are just marketing bullshit :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cousin333: Thanks for the interview link. Questions are very good &#8211; the ones I&#8217;ve always wanted to ask <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  But unfortunately most of the answers are just marketing <acronym title="bullshit">********</acronym> :/</p>
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		<title>By: cousin333</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-is-working-on-a-new-javascript-engine.html/comment-page-1#comment-75235</link>
		<dc:creator>cousin333</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The new engine, ... is 2.5 times faster than the Opera 10 alpha engine...&quot;

Yes, without native codes. With them it&#039;s even faster, they say, 5-50x depending on testcase.

You may be right with that Widget idea, I shoud have think about that...

Anyway, we made a small interview with Jon S. von Tetzchner recently, and we decided to publich it in English also. You may link it from you&#039;re site, in cas you find it interresting.

The link: http://magyaropera.blog.hu/2009/02/07/magyaropera_s_interview_with_jon_s_von_tetzchner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The new engine, &#8230; is 2.5 times faster than the Opera 10 alpha engine&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, without native codes. With them it&#8217;s even faster, they say, 5-50x depending on testcase.</p>
<p>You may be right with that Widget idea, I shoud have think about that&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, we made a small interview with Jon S. von Tetzchner recently, and we decided to publich it in English also. You may link it from you&#8217;re site, in cas you find it interresting.</p>
<p>The link: <a href="http://magyaropera.blog.hu/2009/02/07/magyaropera_s_interview_with_jon_s_von_tetzchner">http://magyaropera.blog.hu/2009/02/07/magyaropera_s_interview_with_jon_s_von_tetzchner</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grin</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-is-working-on-a-new-javascript-engine.html/comment-page-1#comment-75233</link>
		<dc:creator>Grin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo: &quot;JDKs&quot; ought to be &quot;SDKs&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo: &#8220;JDKs&#8221; ought to be &#8220;SDKs&#8221;</p>
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