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	<title>Comments on: PayPal Asks: What Makes a Safe Browser?</title>
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		<title>By: dantel</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-74220</link>
		<dc:creator>dantel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a good idea to me. I have no idea how many fake pay pal emails I’ve had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a good idea to me. I have no idea how many fake pay pal emails I’ve had.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-74170</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Joeri&lt;/b&gt;:

Indeed, I thought the same when I read the news.

User education would be much more effective than blocking IE6 or whatever PayPal is planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Joeri</b>:</p>
<p>Indeed, I thought the same when I read the news.</p>
<p>User education would be much more effective than blocking IE6 or whatever PayPal is planning.</p>
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		<title>By: Joeri</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73976</link>
		<dc:creator>Joeri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see it happening: "Hey, look. I've found this site that *does* allow me to do PayPal transfers!"

Uh-huh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see it happening: &#8220;Hey, look. I&#8217;ve found this site that *does* allow me to do PayPal transfers!&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh-huh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Khadra Warsame Penh Neang</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73960</link>
		<dc:creator>Khadra Warsame Penh Neang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sofar been using Paypal with Opera Mini 3 and 4 versions Since without any kind of difficulties</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sofar been using Paypal with Opera Mini 3 and 4 versions Since without any kind of difficulties</p>
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		<title>By: Zemlire Ventillo</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73955</link>
		<dc:creator>Zemlire Ventillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve Barker, I think you are confused. They aren't saying old hardware, they are saying old software. Which I can understand, seeing as most 'old' operating systems and web browsers have poor security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve Barker, I think you are confused. They aren&#8217;t saying old hardware, they are saying old software. Which I can understand, seeing as most &#8216;old&#8217; operating systems and web browsers have poor security.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Barker</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73937</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Kelson got the wrong word - brain hardly funtioning 05.30Hrs UK time, and still half asleep.

I was thinking that its very much like cars, soon as a model is dicontinued their value drops, suddenly they become much less desirable - even tough you can still get spare parts (might not be the same in the States with different versions most years).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Kelson got the wrong word - brain hardly funtioning 05.30Hrs UK time, and still half asleep.</p>
<p>I was thinking that its very much like cars, soon as a model is dicontinued their value drops, suddenly they become much less desirable - even tough you can still get spare parts (might not be the same in the States with different versions most years).</p>
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		<title>By: Adult Ühler</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73936</link>
		<dc:creator>Adult Ühler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 11:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a good idea to me. I have no idea how many fake pay pal emails I've had.

I Just wish they would block Ie to start an avalanche of browser migrations :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a good idea to me. I have no idea how many fake pay pal emails I&#8217;ve had.</p>
<p>I Just wish they would block Ie to start an avalanche of browser migrations <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73934</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 05:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;XP is only supported for another 32 days 18 hours and 16 min&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not exactly.  XP is only &lt;em&gt;available&lt;/em&gt; through the end of June.  It will still receive "mainstream" (i.e. full) support through April 2009, with extended support (including security fixes) through 2014.  (Source: &lt;a href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/?sort=PN&#38;alpha=windows+xp&#38;Filter=FilterNO" rel="nofollow"&gt;Microsoft Product Lifecycle Search&lt;/a&gt;)

You only have a month to buy a new copy of Windows XP, but existing computers will have 6 years before Microsoft stops shipping security updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>XP is only supported for another 32 days 18 hours and 16 min</p></blockquote>
<p>Not exactly.  XP is only <em>available</em> through the end of June.  It will still receive &#8220;mainstream&#8221; (i.e. full) support through April 2009, with extended support (including security fixes) through 2014.  (Source: <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/?sort=PN&amp;alpha=windows+xp&amp;Filter=FilterNO">Microsoft Product Lifecycle Search</a>)</p>
<p>You only have a month to buy a new copy of Windows XP, but existing computers will have 6 years before Microsoft stops shipping security updates.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Barker</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73933</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 04:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelson 
May 27th, 2008 at 6:01 pm 

"If you’re only looking at Vista and Leopard on the latest hardware, the numbers are going to be small, but if you include other releases that still have vendor support, like Windows XP, the numbers widen considerably."

XP is only supported for another 32 days 18 hours and 16 min (from savexp dot com). Will this mean many more viable machines ending up down the tip?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelson<br />
May 27th, 2008 at 6:01 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;If you’re only looking at Vista and Leopard on the latest hardware, the numbers are going to be small, but if you include other releases that still have vendor support, like Windows XP, the numbers widen considerably.&#8221;</p>
<p>XP is only supported for another 32 days 18 hours and 16 min (from savexp dot com). Will this mean many more viable machines ending up down the tip?</p>
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		<title>By: algarcia</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73931</link>
		<dc:creator>algarcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 03:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well my bank here in venezuela didnt work with opera. when i typed the address it showed nothing, blank, not even the page's title. now i changed the site prefs in opera so the bank identifies this browser as frirefox instead of opera and everythings working great now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well my bank here in venezuela didnt work with opera. when i typed the address it showed nothing, blank, not even the page&#8217;s title. now i changed the site prefs in opera so the bank identifies this browser as frirefox instead of opera and everythings working great now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73930</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kyle: While I don't doubt there are plenty of aging machines out there, there is a difference between "modern" and "latest and greatest."  If you're only looking at Vista and Leopard on the latest hardware, the numbers are going to be small, but if you include other releases that still have vendor support, like Windows XP, the numbers widen considerably.

I'll have to check some global stats, but my own site is seeing 70% WinXP and 14% Vista on OS, and 36% IE7, 27% Firefox 2, and 25% IE6 on browsers.  (Sadly, AWStats doesn't break down Opera, Safari or Mac OSX versions.) Only 4% are on older versions of Windows, less than half a percent on older versions of IE, and less than 1% on older versions of Firefox.

That's more than 84% on a modern OS, and more than 63% on a modern browser (I can't bring myself to include IE6), even before factoring in Opera, Safari, Mac OS, or Linux.

@Jezetha: Last I heard, PayPal hadn't actually started blocking browsers yet, just talking about it.  Even so, Opera 9.2 on WinXP fits their current criteria for "acceptable" and then some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyle: While I don&#8217;t doubt there are plenty of aging machines out there, there is a difference between &#8220;modern&#8221; and &#8220;latest and greatest.&#8221;  If you&#8217;re only looking at Vista and Leopard on the latest hardware, the numbers are going to be small, but if you include other releases that still have vendor support, like Windows XP, the numbers widen considerably.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to check some global stats, but my own site is seeing 70% WinXP and 14% Vista on OS, and 36% IE7, 27% Firefox 2, and 25% IE6 on browsers.  (Sadly, AWStats doesn&#8217;t break down Opera, Safari or Mac OSX versions.) Only 4% are on older versions of Windows, less than half a percent on older versions of IE, and less than 1% on older versions of Firefox.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s more than 84% on a modern OS, and more than 63% on a modern browser (I can&#8217;t bring myself to include IE6), even before factoring in Opera, Safari, Mac OS, or Linux.</p>
<p>@Jezetha: Last I heard, PayPal hadn&#8217;t actually started blocking browsers yet, just talking about it.  Even so, Opera 9.2 on WinXP fits their current criteria for &#8220;acceptable&#8221; and then some.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Barker</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73928</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Naylor May 27th, 2008 at 4:49 pm 

"Well… computer nostalgia is one thing. But it isn’t unreasonable for a banking site to require a modern web browser..."

Is it reasonable to discard perfectly working machines, which are often better built than current models? Most of the time, the new superior products are being pushed just to feed the software / hardware suppliers mutal benifit in change, with the consumers just being there to pay?

Last week I was sat on the train and the bloke next to me was hunched over a new laptop playing with Microsoft Dynamics V4, with the help of the instruction manual. I got chatting to him, and he said that he was trying to work out how to use version 4, having only just mastered V3.5 it had all changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Naylor May 27th, 2008 at 4:49 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;Well… computer nostalgia is one thing. But it isn’t unreasonable for a banking site to require a modern web browser&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it reasonable to discard perfectly working machines, which are often better built than current models? Most of the time, the new superior products are being pushed just to feed the software / hardware suppliers mutal benifit in change, with the consumers just being there to pay?</p>
<p>Last week I was sat on the train and the bloke next to me was hunched over a new laptop playing with Microsoft Dynamics V4, with the help of the instruction manual. I got chatting to him, and he said that he was trying to work out how to use version 4, having only just mastered V3.5 it had all changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jezetha</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73927</link>
		<dc:creator>Jezetha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use PayPal every time and haven't experienced any difficulty .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use PayPal every time and haven&#8217;t experienced any difficulty .</p>
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		<title>By: David Naylor</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73926</link>
		<dc:creator>David Naylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... computer nostalgia is one thing. But it isn't unreasonable for a banking site to require a modern web browser...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; computer nostalgia is one thing. But it isn&#8217;t unreasonable for a banking site to require a modern web browser&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Baker</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2008/05/whats-a-safe-browser.html#comment-73925</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Steve. Besides, I'd be willing to bet that most of the general public that have access to the Internet are not using the "latest and greatest".

I know many people/families who have had the same computer for 7-8 years easily and are content with it until it no longer works. Some of these computers are running early Windows builds such as 98 and 2000 that, while a lot of people love them, are far behind by today's standards and could easily be targeted for exclusion.

I think we the public should send a message to companies such as eBay to support &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fault-tolerant_system" rel="nofollow"&gt;graceful degradation&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Steve. Besides, I&#8217;d be willing to bet that most of the general public that have access to the Internet are not using the &#8220;latest and greatest&#8221;.</p>
<p>I know many people/families who have had the same computer for 7-8 years easily and are content with it until it no longer works. Some of these computers are running early Windows builds such as 98 and 2000 that, while a lot of people love them, are far behind by today&#8217;s standards and could easily be targeted for exclusion.</p>
<p>I think we the public should send a message to companies such as eBay to support <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fault-tolerant_system">graceful degradation</a>.</p>
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