Opera 9.5 Beta 2 Released
Published April 24th, 2008 4:46 PM EDT By BAMAToNEThe second public beta of Opera 9.5 (Kestrel) was officially released today, boasting many performance, security, and user interface enhancements.
One of the most useful features is called “Quick Find.” It is a full text history search that can be done directly from the address bar. CNET’s Download Blog quickly took notice, publishing this favorable review.
Opera 9.5 Beta 2 also includes alternative tab-closing behaviors. By default, when the user closes a tab, the last active tabs takes focus. For long time Opera users, this makes sense. But it seems to be a sticking point among Firefox users. In Firefox, when a tab is closed, the very next tab takes focus. Users can now choose between the two options in the preferences menu.
Fans of spatial navigation will notice selected links are now highlighted, similar to Opera Mini 4 and the Wii browser.
Opera Link now synchronizes Notes in addition to bookmarks, personal bar, and Speed Dial entries.
Many security enhancements have been added to new beta. Fraud Protection is now enabled by default. An example of an Opera Fraud Protection warning can be seen here. Support for Extended Validation (EV) certificates has been added. (Read more about EV certificates here.) And in the address bar, users will now see a silver lock on yellow field for regular secure sites, a gold lock on green field for secure sites with EV, and a question mark on gray field for HTTPS sites with problems.
Download Opera 9.5 Beta 2:
http://www.opera.com/download/?ver=9.50b2
Changelog for Windows:
http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/950b2/
Press release:
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2008/04/24/
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\o/ BAMAToNE actually posted!
I am liking the new Kestrel. Nice and smooooooth.
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I can’t get this one to run at all. The progress before this build has been great, but something has been broken.
Glad to see Operawatch relaunced with new posters - but with David Storey, wouldn’t this site be kind of unofficially official? I mean: I do not expect leaks, non-staged (for publicity reason) rumors or anything like this to be posted here. I know Daniel Goldman worked for Opera so this isn’t something new.
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Fleawin,
Yeah, I know. The site might turn into some kind of propaganda outlet with very little reference to Opera’s failings or criticism for its dev team. I hope not, Opera Watch has been an abrasive critical force in the Opera world for years now. It’d be a shame if most of the posts were just fawning reactions to updates on the Opera press release page.
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Unfortunately, my experience was short… back to Beta 1:
http://my.opera.com/aikishugyo/blog/2008/04/25/opera-9-50-beta-2-on-amd64-x86-64-seriously-flawed
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full text history would be nicer if it was an addon to what ff3 does - ie. searches in url/titles of pages as well. ff3 address bar does not search in pages, but in everyday use their implementations is ways ways better and more usefull
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thanks for the post. really. i was talking to my girlfriend a couple of hours ago about the release of dragonfly and how excited i was for the upcoming 9.5 and you come and show this new beta release! im downloading it, i love the way my bookmarks are synced between my cellphones and my computers thanks to opera.
will the NOTES thing work on mini?
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w2, Opera does in fact not only search in the content of the web pages in history, but in the URL and title, too. Wouldn’t make much sense if it didn’t, would it? It also searches in your bookmarks.
And I don’t quite get why Firefox’s implementation should be any better if it lacks one real great feature?
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I’m a bit disappointed…
Paste and Go with a search keyword still doesn’t work in Opera 9.5 beta2 (or any build). I posted that on Opera Desktop Team and another Opera Developer Blog (don’t recall the name) and sent in an Bug Report, it doesn’t even appear at the “Known Issues”.
I wonder if nobody else got that problem…?
Detailed:
I write a search keyword in the address bar and than I want to “Paste and Go” a (previously copied) word from the Clipboard but “Paste and Go” isn’t in the context menu.
It works without a search keyword.
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I’ve been pleased with the latest beta release on both Windows and Linux. In my experience they have been the most functionnal ones for me to work with. I was dying for Opera Link (desktop, laptop and cellphone are now hamonised).
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Manticore: Well.. It’s a beta do expect alot of bugs
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I’m not complaining about the bug (or bugs) itself. That specific bug is there since the first build and although I mentioned it three times, in three different ways, it doesn’t even appear on the “Known Issues”.
Maybe someone can confirm the bug, it’s easy enough to reproduce?
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@Manticore
I can’t confirm the bug (not using 9.5 here), but I can tell you that if you don’t submit an official bug report, it won’t get fixed.
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As I wrote in my first post. I did sent an official bug report.
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Opera certainly DOES NOT search in urls - visit my.opera.com/desktopteam and then type desktopteam into the address bar. in ff3 it is clearly visible - in Opera - it isnt.
to go to desktopteam you need to start with ‘my.opera.com/de..’ that is too many clicks, too much hassle. after getting used to ff3 way you’ll never look back. esp. that full page history isnt as usefull as it sounds in real life applications. ie. i’ve NEVER even thought about using it
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w2: Thats a bug. Will get it fixed
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w2: Your religion is blinding you, my friend; but keep praying anyway.
Opera’s Quick Find does what you want because even though your use-case glitch will be fixed…Opera finds the Desktop blog link because it finds it in the PAGE of the site. So, if you type “desktop”…the link pops up in the address bar. Sweeeeet!
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Google Notebook still unusable…
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@w2: I’m not sure if you care (it seems you don’t) but if your posts were less abrasive, you could say the same things without being attacked. Then you could have a conversation with people instead of an argument. Just a thought…
@Alexander: What is unusable? I’m using it right now.
I’m relatively happy with beta 2. It’s missing lots of things I would like to see but that is neither here nor there.
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I see what you mean now Alex. Some things are unusable.
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@w2: On top of everything, you’re USING Kestrel, and you didn’t even try it before you wrote that it doesn’t find it??? Sheesh.
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Yes, I didn’t go into detail: You can’t type in new notes, and you can’t move around notes manually (just by clicking the arrow on the right) which makes the whole thing senseless for me when using it with opera. Furthermore, there’s nothing like the google notebook extension for firefox. I was an opera user since version 2.12 (!), but a few months ago I changed to Flock because Opera is way behind in its handling of Ajax/Web2.0 sites. And now I’m waiting and hoping for each and every new Opera version because I really really would change back again. Opera is still my 1st choice if sth has to be done fast.
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I agree that Firefox 3 has better address bar search than Opera. I use Opera for years as primary web browser but after I have tried Firefox 3 I can’t live without it because I don’t have to remember web pages or browse through my bookmarks anymore, all I have to do is to enter a tag or name in address bar and voila! This is the best thing ever invented in web browsers! I tried that in Opera but it didn’t work, all it finds is history. Searching history can sometimes be useful but it is not going to improve my daily browsing experience.
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@Gernot, it’s working fine for me on 64-bit Fedora 8. I’m not sure what’s different.
@w2, Delicate, etc. For me, the main advantage that Firefox 3’s address bar search has over Opera 9.50’s is that the Firefox drop-down is better organized visually. The page title — the most likely memory cue, other than the site icon — is larger and bolded, and takes up a whole like, while the URL has less contrast but appears in a different hue.
Opera, on the other hand, puts all the text in the same size and weight of font, all in the same hue, and puts the URL and title on the same line. In short, nothing stands out.
It’s much easier to spot the page you’re looking for at a glance with Firefox’s implementation.
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Great release, I particularly like menu to OS integration - hopefully this will also open the way to skinning menus as well…
Speed is near or equal to Safari, to which I switched while missing Opera’s features.
The last big wish is autocomplete, which IE, Firefox and Safari all have. I really miss it in Opera. Otherwise, great job everyone! Very stable and all…
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I dont get some of the “improvements”. I represent one of many users who gladly gave IE the boot to run Firefox. Then, later to find out Firefox was becoming bloatware. Opera is truly a great browser. But, there are two “features” that suck really really bad.
One….
The stop/reload button is a real drag, regardless of what you are used to. Sometimes a website is jammed full of **** and its nice to hit STOP once you see what you are looking for loaded. But, much of the time you dont know if youre hitting stop or reload and the whole damn page reloads. Its REALLY ANNOYING. The option of having seperate buttons SHOULD NOT BE TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR.
Two….
The REDRAW function is a complete waste causing another annoyance. There should be the option to TURN OFF the redraw. To watch a page halfway load and then reload again is plain stupid. Its unnecessary. If this function isnt supposed to act that way then its broken. And please dont ask me about my settings. I have tried every setting available and it just doesnt work.
OPERA is constantly adding features that serve no purpose for a lot of users. I have found myself using Firefox again on and off(HINT HINT).
Another annoyance that seems to (STILL) be there is something I complained about many times in the past year. I am a student and use BLACKBOARD a lot. I cannot attach files in my dropboxes or emails. It always acts like a file isnt even attached upon clicking submit. No other browsers have this problem. I have to open up Firefox and go through the login process just to submit homework. You guys should worry more about bugs and less about new features.
My 2 cents.
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@JJ Giveaway: Feel free to use the ESCAPE key to STOP, then hit RELOAD if some sites stall or are loading haltingly. You’ll find the v9.5 beta 2 to work very well with no redraw issues. Kestrel Beta 2 has huge improvements in screen painting performance, also. (Be sure to load it in a different directory, not over your v9.26 install.)
Not sure what school you’re at, but Blackboard seems to only support IE (but not under Vista), and use Blackboard Lite when someone uses Safari/FF, and Opera. You may want to email your IT group at the school and ask them to simply support Opera, since it’s standards-based and should be trivial.
@Kelson: Maybe my display is different on my MacBook Pro, but Opera Quick Find shows BLACK font for the 1st line for URL, title, time/date stamp….2nd line (showing the searching inside a web page you visited) is GREY, not black….different hue/color/tint/contrast/whatever, then the two words you typed into the address bar are HIGHLIGHTED in a bolder grey font.
Is that not what you see?
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@KTswami “On top of everything, you’re USING Kestrel, and you didn’t even try it before you wrote that it doesn’t find it??? Sheesh.”
ofc I’ve tried it - typing ‘desktopteam’ will NEVER bring you the my.opera.com/desktopteam page. it can show you some other desktopteam pages (if they happen to have this word on/in them) but never the main one. you can have some chances typing ‘desktop team’ but also, main page will NEVER be at the top, and no, it also wont be the order of how often i’ve visited that page (some strange neowin page is first on my list, page that ive read only once). it needs a lot more work, a lot more.
another strage behaviour is that opera adds items during the typing instead of only removing them - it is rather strange design choice (maybe due to performance etc) but firefox3 again does it much better and somehow performance does not suffer
and yes, their two-line model, with that strange green convinced me. i see underline+bold as a common standard in autocompletion dropdowns over the web. it simply makes sense.
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@Manticore, I can confirm that when you type in a search keyword in the address bar there is no “Paste and Go” in the context menu but you can still use it with Ctrl+Shift+V, also you can use “Paste and Go” with typed search keyword when the “Search Engines bar” is not expanded - screenshot.
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@Manticore
@marol
Note that if you’re just needing to search on your default search engine (Google, Yahoo), typing in “g” or “y” first is moot, just paste & go and it goes. Having said that, I noticed on Build 4789 on Leopard, if you type “w”, let’s say, (to search in Wikipedia), it works when you right-click twice…and will bring up “Paste & Go” in the context menu. Maybe a glitch.
(Gotta love the one-click way to create new search engines with any string in Oper, though, no?
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@w2
Hahaha. OK, I give……you’re right, the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. But in case you’re wondering, as Olli mentioned, it’s a bug that will be added in the next build or so.
Having said that, in your use case, given that Opera Quick Find is realtime, type-as-you-go, you would’ve noticed that by typing four less keystrokes “desktop”, your correct site pops up. When the fix comes, you can happily type all the way out to “desktopteam” and find it then also.
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you were proven wrong and you try to cover it up with snide remarks. opera DOES NOT search in urls - period. bug or not.
and no, typing ‘desktop’ doesnt solve problem either because:
a) list is absolutely clutered with useless results from pull page search
b) there are subpages of desktopteam higher than the main one (most frequently visited by me) - sorting order needs lots of work
c) there are lots of other pages, which relation with word ‘desktop’ is a great mistery to me, because Opera doesnt highlight WHY it matches a page (unless it matches to full page history)
it is hardly usefull in current stage, esp, when you can compare it with what ff3 came up with.
this is a feature users use THE MOST and already comparisons between ff3 way and opera are puting opera in bad light. covering it up instead of improving is a way to nowhere.
other than that - in google rich text editors hiting enter does not work properly.. gmail in general is unstable, and there is STILL no right click compatibilty - try to use google maps to the fulles without contextmenu..
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@w2: Yes, it does a full-text search of your previously-visited pages (i.e., full page history). Keep typing and it will refine/reduce the results by relevance and recency — notice the time stamp on the far right.
http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/indexing-and-searching-in-opera-with-ope/
Our page histories are different, so we’d probably get somewhat different results, it seems. And, I’m sorry if I sounded snide. My point with your comments was that in some cases, remembering URL terms may be faster…but the idea for great UI design with a great feature is three-fold, I think:
o ease-of-use (easy to remember)
o minimal mouse travel
o minimal keystrokes
I’m finding that typing a few characters to find a domain is handy (like Netscape introduced in ~1990), but now adding full-text search is an amazing next step, no? This means you don’t have to remember any URL necessarily, you can type 2-3 words that may have been in the ENTIRE page…is that easier to remember sometimes?
You’re right, it may be faster/better to remember URL strings after the domain, but I think in most cases, this will be more effective. It’s like being able to Google or Yahoo your entire browser history.
Also, note that there’s a search engine shortcut for Quick Find History, “h opera kestrel” will open a full page with your history results, instead of just the address bar drop-down. ESCAPE lets your re-do your search.
Despite all this, when Opera adds the URL look-up, and FF4 adds the full-text history search, I’ll buy you a margarita or mojito, OK?
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g’n't will do
yeah, i understand the concept of full page search - it has sense and potential, however in case of such first-line feature it looks wise to first catch up with competition and then introduce novelty.
Opera certainly isnt at the same level as ff3 with their ‘aweseomo bar’ (what a name.. :/) - also ff3 introduced well-known and understood concept of ‘tags’. opera had something similar in the form of nicknames, but.. as with many thing in opera - it wasnt sold well, and most people dont even know about it.
but anyways - i’m happy that we’ve reached the agreement and understadement (however it is spelt)
btw. ff3 will have an extension created in matter of weeks with full-page history search (ff3 has sql-lite database built in just for such purpose) so there is no need to wait for ff4. remember how many DAYS it took to copy speed dial (and make it better?) IIRC 4 days..
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Thanks marol, especially for the further “investigation” and the little workaraound.
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New Operawatch…old Trolls… tsk, tsk….
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In my opinion, some (if not most) of w2’s points are valid. I generally tend to agree with a lot of the things w2 says but totally disagree wit the way his ideas are delivered. The only thing to me that makes him troll-like is that he doesn’t possess or use the sense/ability to convey ideas without talking down to people and belittling them and their work. I’m not sure if English is his native language…
@w2:
From this I gather, “it won’t be cool until firefox does it”. Is that what you meant?
QFT sadly. The power of extensions is a strong one. However to opera’s defense, I don’t think the speed dial extension exceeded opera’s functionality when it debuted. It took several revisions.
This seems to be all too true. Opera innovates. Firefox (with and without extensions) imitates. That is clearly not an equal relationship. Spot on. The only thing Opera needs to catch up to competetion with is market share. Opera is unique and has lots of good qualities, features, and functionalities that some browsers don’t have (read: haven’t copied yet). As much as you seem to dislike Opera (the browser and company), imagine all the features you wouldn’t have or would have had to wait longer for without us. Perhaps you should be thanking Opera?
It is generally accepted as fact that Opera’s marketing sucks. Feel free to suggest ways (in the linked thread) about how it could improve. (Note: things like “copy firefox” are trollesque). For the record, I use firefox daily for development and had no idea the equivalent for opera’s “nicknames” was “tags” in ff.
What insider knowledge lets you make statements like this? I don’t even think the opera staff can make blanket statements like this (see the start bar and view bar revolts). I don’t think you nor anyone else knows how popular or unpopular it is. Perhaps you should stick to opinions or truthful statements and leave the bs at the farm.
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This Beta 2 release is ****, since pop3 fetching is majorily broken !!( Read the changelog) how can you dare releasing this as a public beta 2 and even announce it everywhere including even a video?
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no, english isnt my first (or even second) language, but with my primary language i also stick to the point
“What insider knowledge lets you make statements like this? I don’t even think the opera staff can make blanket statements like this (see the start bar and view bar revolts).”
same knowledge as yours - intuition and observation of opera users (rapidly going down i have to say) that i know in person. and nicknames (semi equivalent of tags but with similar functionality) are really hidden deep into opera. deny it.
about start star/bar and view bar - you know why the ‘revolts’? because opera wanted to FORCE some controversial changes without giving user AN OPTION to change that. it was rape on long lasting opera customisation policy. star in address bar, as ff3 example shows, is ok, but opera users (rightfulyy imho) felt that they are forced with something new that they can not turn off. it was amazing that company didnt know their users and their habits and values they valued. a 10 year company!!
“It is generally accepted as fact that Opera’s marketing sucks. Feel free to suggest ways (in the linked thread) about how it could improve.”
haavards blog has a nasty tendency of comments to dissapear - you read them, they are gone an hour later.
“From this I gather, “it won’t be cool until firefox does it”. Is that what you meant?”
you are either snide or really dont understand my motives. it is ‘until opera does it RIGHT’. current implementation even in press demonstration looks like unfinished CONCEPT (not only implementantion). polish that - it will be great (anyone who uses desktop search in vista knows how such tools can be usefull). regardless if ff3 includes it or not.
“This seems to be all too true. Opera innovates. Firefox (with and without extensions) imitates. That is clearly not an equal relationship. Spot on. ”
certainly not true. there are lots and lots of functionalities that are in firefox and its extensions that are not in opera. this process is one sided, because opera lacks ANY way to copy what other vendors came up with. give opera users extension mechanisms and stick to improving rendering engine. they it will be equal relationship, now it is onesided because opera decided it to be so. with all negative consequences (and with no visible positives, but who am i to judge).
“Opera is unique and has lots of good qualities, features, and functionalities that some browsers don’t have (read: haven’t copied yet).
it was truth few months ago, now im hard to find a single one. the last one that fell was full page zoom. ff3 has it AND has the text-only zoom that opera mises.
ff3 certainly is faster, more powerfull because of extensions, has really nice safety record given that around 20-50% (depending on the country) users out there are ff users, is being developed with clear and know plan etc. what are opera desktop values other than that it is a product of innovative company? opera link? well, it should sync much more stuff, but ok, what next?
“The only thing Opera needs to catch up to competetion with is market share.”
there is no way that it will ever happen. opera is actively ignored by largest websites out there - no browser will succeed if it can not render web properly, and regardless of efforts you cant say, that compatibility improoved in last months. it is worse than it was. and i know that it is websites ‘fault’ but users DO NOT CARE! it ‘does not work in opera’ and you have ZERO chances of changing this way of thinking.
BTW on the topic - silverlight (in any version) does not work in b2. are you going to do something with this finaly? silverlight support was prmised by opera long ago and it STILL does not work. it certainly is much more important than acid3 (real life importantce, not geek factor).
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The troll: “firefox3 again does it much better and somehow performance does not suffer”
That’s because firefox only searches titles+URLs while Opera searches the content as well.
“Opera certainly isnt at the same level as ff3 with their ‘aweseomo bar’”
No, it’s far ahead of it because it searches everything.
Now everyone, please stop feeding the troll.
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“In my opinion, some (if not most) of w2’s points are valid.”
Well, he shoots at anything that moves so sometimes he’s right. As they say, even a broken clock is right 2 times a day…
“The only thing to me that makes him troll-like is that he doesn’t possess or use the sense/ability to convey ideas without talking down to people and belittling them and their work.”
That’s pretty trollish in my book. Then again, this is not some random guy on the net making fun on messages boards, the guy has clearly serious anger management issues; Daniel asked him many times to stop posting on Operawatch but…
“I’m not sure if English is his native language…”
He is Polish, he stated that when he took over the desktop team blog polluting it with extremely long rants and very harsh words towards the developers. He used the name whatever2 back then.
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@w2:
Wy wydajecie się jak (podobny do; podobnie do tego; upodobanie do) chłopiec, tak (więc) lubię żeby mówiące wam…Ale który nie oznacza (zamierzać; mieć na myśli) was jesteście zawsze jarmark w waszych dyskusjach.
What do you like about Opera, anyway?
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If you post comments in the same tone as you post them here then yes, i understand. There is a a difference between being straight to the point and being a douchebag. Sadly your grasp of the language seems to prohibit you from doing one without the other. Until this is resolved, you will continue to be viewed as a troll by most people.
“same knowledge as yours - intuition and observation of opera users” - unrepresentative nonsense then… thanks. How many hundreds of users are in this case-study you are conducting? Well virtually no one at work is using ff3 because it is beta and lots of extensions don’t work in it yet. Also, of the few people i know that have ff3 installed, they don’t use tags (myself included). Being atypical, 95+% of the bookmarks i have in opera are bookmarklets/scripts. I know that the way i use opera and the things that i want opera to do and not to are shared by a minority of users. Your study of a few of your friends is not representative of how the world of users use things. You are about just as informed about what people use as I and the opera staff. This brings me to your next point…
QFT. Too often Opera makes radical changes to functionality that has been that way for many years with no way to return to classic functionality. This is a major complaint of mine. The only way to get this functionality back is if this is something that affects the majority of users and they revolt. If you are in the minority that use and care about it, consider yourself officially screwed. To quote myself:
Too often I seem to be on the losing end of feature removal. Sorry my reply to w2 turned into a personal matter. Oh well… This is one of the things we agree on.
of course this is true. My point was, there would be no speed dial extension without opera. There would be no advanced history serch or whatever ff3 calls it without opera… or atleast not today, right now. Other things you can thank opera: full page zoom, mouse gestures, tab thumbnails, fast forward. There are a long line of opera inspired extensions and builtin functionality in ff. Cutesy side note: In the description of the feature request for full page zoom, it actually says “(like Opera)”. I’m sure firefox innovates things as well but I am not a part of that community and i only use limited parts of firefox. Firefox is just a platform that runs firebug for me. Firebug is hands down the best thing firefox has done for me and the most innovative thing in my opinion.
Well it is beta software and currently in development. Give it time.
You are not a webdev. I forgive you. Standards compliance is a key element that makes web development 10 times easier. If kestrel, ff3, and ie8 passed acid3 at lunch. That would be beneficial to us all (us being developers). Acid3 is not for you normal folks (i like to call them normies or the majority).
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Contrary to w2’s belief, there are several things firefox or most other browsers cannot do yet.
1. Multiple viewable tabs in the same window (and no stupid thumbnails don’t count.), eg you can click links in each tab, view say 4 youtube videos side by side etc list goes on.
2. Seperate settings for sidebar bookmarks, like zoom, small screen etc
3. Bookmark links on toolbars other than bookmarks toolbar, bookmarks toolbar anywhere doesn’t count as all bookmarks on there need to be grouped.
4. Instant skinning.
5. Buttons that open up different menues(there is an extension for the menu bar itself, but not for seperate menu items afaik)
6. A source editor that makes it easy to edit code of pages and see the changes almost instantly.
7. Oh wait, usable Small Screen Rendering.
8. An editable status bar (yes you can actually place buttons there.)
9. Loading of cached images only (great if you haved capped bandwidth).
10. Buttons that instantly turn off different settings without forcing the user to go into a dialog.
11. A button system that allows me to do tasks not necessarily browser based (I can turn off services by clicking a button in my browser, or shut down the OS, you could argue that this may be done using extensions, but how deep into the core would you need to get for that?)
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i love you firefox : )
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This is not a comment on the new Opera Beta (haven’t gotten the chance to use it, as it crashes the instant I try to start it), but on the guy you use for the video (and other videos like this one).
Can you please start using someone native English speaker to do these kind of videos? Using a guy with an accent is not a smart move. Seriously.
I know it might sound discriminating (and it is), but the viewer experience is a whole lot better for it, and it actually increases liking. It might sound charming, and maybe you want to remind everybody that Opera is not made by Huge American Corporation Ltd., but cute, small, Norwegian Opera Software. This is not how (most) viewers tend to see it. Liking (of Opera an Opera Software) is increased more by using native speaking persons.
While this video in particular might not be targetted on “normal” folks, but on individuals who already have an interest in Opera, it is still a good idea to reinforce their relationship with you. After all, capturing market share is not only done by winning new users, but also by retaining existing users (cheaper and easier). And tech-savvy users that frequent sites like these are the ones most likely to deflect (we know that switching browser is done in minutes).
Use someone that speaks “perfect high-English” (American may be better than English, though I do not know), no accent nor dialect. Better than Thor Heyerdahl/Petter Solberg English. It does not work.
Maybe I should have written this in an email to the people responsible, rather than here…?
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QFT. If only the devs felt the same as you and I… or more importantly, if only their actions conveyed this message.
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I’m a web designer and I use Opera on a daily basis for testing. I have say that Opera is “lightest” web browser, and also the fastest one. Its rendering engine seems to getting better everyday, I can definitely see it being used more and more, especially in the mobile arena. I would really like to see it being the most popular browser in the mobile phones and pocket pcs.
Will certainly test the new version out.
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What I find most amusing, and rather shortsighted within the browser communities, is that while I prefer and recommend to all my friends/family that they try Opera for themselves for a few days to see how they like it (and, of course, they’re always impressed by Opera)…the efforts by any FF or Webkit groups to convince that Opera is not top-notch is idiotic, and on its face just plain dumb.
All of our efforts in ALL browser communities should be directed at each other, but at the 100 MILLION misinformed and/or unknowing IE users that continue to use a non-standard, unimaginative browser that only exists to tie them to Windows.
While it may be required for corporate applications that were written for IE, anybody that’s even trivially familiar with web development understands that open-standards support is the key to smoother, more systematic cross-browser support (for desktops, devices, mobile phones) and easier web site redesigns, etc…
All of these idiotic “he said/she said” contentions should be aimed squarely at IE-centric blogs and sites and reviews…and to all the users we see continuing to think they’re getting the best internet experience by using IE, to help open their eyes. And just because there are shortsighted developers out there that think that various IE extensions makes their web site easier to write or support, that breaks in Opera or Webkit or FF, doesn’t make it right.
Since when did all the best things that have ever happened in the world, take place because everyone just went along, or did the easy thing, or did the lazy thing, or did the thing that made the fastest, short-term profit… When?
When?? Never.