those are W3C standards that IE8 isn’t supporting.

I’d rather see Opera try to perfect the features that are already there in Opera rather than to try to mimic every IE/Firefox feature that comes along.

Firefox already supports IE8 webSlices and Activities. You can be sure, that both of these are going to be hugely popular (being available in both IE and FF and very clever in concept, RSS for non geeks), again cutting Opera users out. Another small thing that does not work in Opera. There is too many of these things to say it is ‘best internet experience’.

http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/03/ie-8-activities-and-webslices-for-firefox/

“I wonder if this “Acid Compliance” would happen at all if Opera, a very small company compared to Apple and Mozilla Foundation stood up and threatened them with lawsuit.”

… IE8 announced Acid2 compliance shortly after Opera’s antitrust complaint. Do you think they only started working toward passing the Acid2 *after* the complaint was made public? This is the result of months of work, and had to be planned long before…
Opera’s antitrust complaint may have influenced MS to make the latest IE standards mode the default, but Acid2 compliance was obviously already planned (even if not available in the default rendering mode).

Nystor has a point there. I remember hearing from some people back in ‘01 that XP was going to be the death of Microsoft. Not so fast. And let’s face it: a standards-complaint IE is what we’ve all wanted, right? Open-standards fans, rejoice. IE 8, in spite of rough edges, actually looks pretty good to me. Not something I’d use all the time, but pretty good nevertheless. Beware of blind anti-MS bigotry as well. If they put out a reasonably good product, admit it.

–”Don’t worry, I’m sure that the Opera guys will take credit for it.”–

And I’m sure all the credit goes to Mozilla, right? Sure. Another thing I remember from Firefox fanboys at the time that Opera 9 was released: “Who really cares if a browser passes Acid2 anyway?” The tune has changed with Gecko 1.9.

http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/200801/index.html

There MS has almost complete monopoly - share around 60-70%. Why? Point me to alternative to sharepont server. Simply point me to alternative colaborative environment that ~1000 employe company can buy. That company is too small to write it’s own solution, but too big to live without one. Sharepoint is the only one that works. And implementing it means that as well that company can implement Exchange, 2K3 etc. That is the way business works. Any CIO can tell you that. Geek factor is nice, money is even better.

Some data (netcraft)
Apache 76,945,640 49.57% 78,735,581 50.61% 1.04
Microsoft 55,509,223 35.76% 55,709,926 35.81% 0.05

this is total per domains. In business sector it is like 40-60.

Apache had 80% in 2006, all that it lost MS gained. And BTW, Apache mostly runs on windows anyway

ROTFL This must be the most uninformed claim ever posted in this site since Daniel started it. Don’t be such a homer, it will increase your chances of being taken seriously on the internet. No doubt people called you a fanboy…MS servers with 70% market share and killing Linux…jesus christ, what a guy.

Ergo, MS has resources, resources that both Opera and FF cant match. Thats why I believe that they CAN make IE8 into something good. Because it seems, that they’ve realised that it is good for them to have standard compliant browser, and get rid of that bad rep they get for IE6. Why? Because you pay developer the same, regardless if he codes bad stuff or good stuff. So as well they can code good stuff.

About Opera releases and development - IE8 introduced more innovative stuff than Opera 9.5 beta up to this day. Link? What other FUNCTIONALITY was added? Opera is still the one browser wihtout any form of autoupdate..
FF3 is another story, they’ve completed their process of copying Opera with full page zoom, and introduced few their own inventions.

In IE8, I for one VERY like idea od rss-like page snippets, it is going to be widely adopted because it is cheap to implement and VERY nice for users. FF extension shouldnt take long. Opera, as always, will have to implement it itself (and it will not) because users are cut of from making extensions. Yet another reason to try another browser for wavering users..

Btw sir ‘jub’, IE8 introduced MANY DOM improvements, check your facts.

By the way, neither XP nor Vista come even close to matching Mac OS X, which was what Microsoft wanted to beat with Vista. So much for your theory

They’ve did that ie8 beta in probably less than a year.

You think they’ve been working on IE8 for less than a year? I guess that would explain why CSS is all they seem to have improved. No DOM, etc. The improvements in IE8 are nice, but I can’t believe they spent all this time on THIS.

Opera is in beta1 for longer and there is no release date ofr beta2 even.

Ah, so because Opera doesn’t rush releases, IE8 will surely kill both Opera and Firefox! We get it now.

Rate at what Opera develops in current snapshots is also VERY slow

No isn’t.

Stop trolling, Microsoft fanboy.

more nimble and can roll out new versions with new features and better standards support long before MS does.

Don’t underestimate the big MS. They do flops, like vista, but they steadily improve and suddenly they are the one and only with QUALITY product. Not all their products are flops enforced by monopoly, some are REALLY good.

Remember how crappy first visual studio was? Look at the VS2008 and compare. They CAN do it. And I think, that this time they want to do it right.

Heck, their beta and buggy console is better Developer tool than anything Opera had ever.

Firefox 3 is good. True. But if MS manages to plug FF extensions (even part of them) you’ll find, that people will use IE8. Many FF users use FF because they can’t stand IE6. IE7 isn’t good enough, IE8 is. Laziness factor will do the rest.