a. 55 million viewed 1 page daily, or
b. 27 million viewed 2 pages daily, or
c. 11 million viewed 5 pages daily, or…

Have a pick

The embedded and mobile markets are very different beasts to the desktop markets and having something come along like OM that is far superior to generally available alternatives (or any alternatives) without a commonly accepted ‘baseline’ (IE, Safari, Konqueror) means that it’s going to capture a very much more noticeable percentage of people that give it a go than other markets.

Certainly every person that I know that has downloaded Opera Mini has ended up sticking with it (that figure is only about a dozen people though so only noted as a curio/observation rather than anything else)

One difference I would guess will be that in the Western world at least the mobile browsers will not browse as much or as often as they do on desktop browsers.

Whatever the figures though, Opera deserves credit for a fantastic little browser in Opera Mini and I’m not surprised to see those pages browsed figures going up so dramatically.

That said, the most interesting stat is the actual usage, ie. *number of pageloads*, and growth. Year on year, usage increased from 600m in January 2006 to 1700m in January 2007, a growth of 183%…

As for OM stats provided by Net Applications, they are wrong, thus not helpful, when spread by bloggers on the net. Opera should tell NA to produce right stats, or noone at all…

There are ongoing discussions within Opera about the kind of statistics to release. The points you’ve made are certainly being taken into consideration. Maybe (hopefully) one day we’ll see those stats too.

As I mentioned above we are going to be releasing various stats showing the kind of websites people visit on mobile phones (which I think is more interesting than the number of Opera Mini users).

> The 35 million users are ‘cumulative’ users. That means 35
> million people downloaded and used Opera Mini at least once.
> Obviously not all of these people continue using the browser
> after trying it out. In addition if you download Opera Mini twice,
> you’re counted as 2 users. In other words, there aren’t 35
> million people using Opera Mini today.

Given that you can measure page views, surely you can measure daily active users.

Firefox has had just over 500M downloads, resulting in about 285 million individuals who successfully connected to the web at least once (a completed install, probably akin to your “cumulative” users number.) If we were to use your “cumulative” measure, then we should be asserting 285M users. But clearly that’s not true since many of those people, as you note, don’t continue using the browser forever.

For Firefox, about 3 of 5 who download Firefox complete the install and connect to the Web. Of those, about 3 of 5 become actual users (using Firefox at least once a month,) and those, about 1/3rd become daily users. At Mozilla, we publish that information. Right now, it works out to just over 50M individuals that we see each day. Those 50 million each day are out of a pool of about 150M that we would see in a month-long period.

I think, given the constraints we have (we don’t track individuals) that this is a pretty good way to measure things and I’d encourage Opera to adopt a similar set of metrics.

Now, that doesn’t mean you stop talking about downloads, cumulative users, etc. — those are important metrics, not the least because they are inspirational and they tell your community about the successes they’re having in spreading the product. (for example, it’s easy for a Mozilla community member to say “I’ve helped 100 people download Firefox” but it’s really difficult for us to give them the specific number of people they specifically have using the browser on a daily basis.)

So, how many downloads, how many successful installs (cumulative users,) how many individual users in a given month, and how many daily users?

- A

Hope that deal with Google and Opera Mobile products will give you even more benefits (aka income) to continue working and promoting Opera.

P.S. Thanks for spreading Opera!

I’ve been an Opera Desktop user for a fair while (5.x) and show people at work and some are interested and come across. BUT, when I show them Opera Mini 4 they almost always all grab it for their phones and THEN get interested in the desktop since they love it on the phone so much.

Amusingly I found that one person I showed Mini to a while back has since shown 3 others in the office and all are using Opera Desktop too now.

“Oh you use Opera too? Did tell you about it too? It’s great”

Halo works for Apple and at least in some parts its definitely working for Opera too.

(btw Mini looks absolutely superb on the Nokia N95 8GB…)

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