1.7 billion webpages browsed by Opera Mini users last month
23 CommentsPublished February 27th, 2008 1:52 PM EST By Daniel Goldman
So how popular is Opera Mini? Do people really browse the Web on their mobile phones?
1.7 billion webpages
Well, last month alone Opera Mini users browsed a staggering 1.7 billion webpages. Rest assured, the mobile Web is alive and kicking.
How many Opera Mini servers are required to process these 1.7 billion pages? That’s some serious cloud computing there.
100,000 downloads each day
The number of Opera Mini users keeps on climbing. Every day, more than 100,000 people download Opera Mini onto their phones.
Opera Mini, the little browser that could.
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Great!
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100000 downloads each day * number of days in a month = 280-310000. how exactly does that give 4000 times more than this?
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csulok, from where do you get the 280 and 4000 numbers?
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What I would like to know is how those 1.7 billion pages are distributed. What are the popular sites etc.
I would also like to know how much market share that translates to, both over the overall market and just the mobile market.
I think that the Mini is a greater revolution than the iPhone because it enables more devices to have a web like experience. However, I would really like to have an estimate as to how much market share it holds.
I do not believe the Hitslink stats, I do not think they reflect the real world.
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I think he is comparing apples and oranges (pages browsed and times downloaded) Although where he get 4000 from is beyond me.
And the 280 – 310000 is 280 000 to 310 000 I guess, but even that’s wrong
100 000 * 28(to 31 days in month) = 2 800 000 to 3 100 000, not 280 000 to 310 000.
Well, better luck next time!
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Nilotpal, we’re working on publishing some stats on the kind of websites people mostly visit.
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Let me try this one:
* 1 700 000 000 pages viewed
* 35 000 000 users (cumulative – see press release earlier this month)
1 700 000 000 divided by 30 days in a month is about 56 million page views daily, right? Even if less than half of the 35 million Opera Mini users browse the web daily, they would then be viewing a mere 3-4 pages each. That doesn’t sound like a lot, especially when you consider that Opera Mini is the only way for people in certain countries (with huge populations) access the internet.
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The 35 million users are ‘cumulative’ users. That means 35 million people downloaded and used Opera Mini at least once. Obviously not all of these people continue using the browser after trying it out. In addition if you download Opera Mini twice, you’re counted as 2 users. In other words, there aren’t 35 million people using Opera Mini today.
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Danier
Unfortunately I don’t work for Opera, but I care about Opera Software (economic health), so my question is: Isn’t it tooooooooo expensive for Opera to provide such ammount of servers, bandwith… just to keep Opera Mini alive and working? is it good deal? or doeas Opera software lose money?
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Andres, being a public company, our financial details are all public.
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Got a nice cellphone with java and web too today. first thing was to download opera mini 4 and have some fun with it. really cool thing.
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serious
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Interestingly I’m definitely finding a halo effect from Opera Mini 4 back to the Opera Desktop.
I’ve been an Opera Desktop user for a fair while (5.x) and show people at work and some are interested and come across. BUT, when I show them Opera Mini 4 they almost always all grab it for their phones and THEN get interested in the desktop since they love it on the phone so much.
Amusingly I found that one person I showed Mini to a while back has since shown 3 others in the office and all are using Opera Desktop too now.
“Oh you use Opera too? Did tell you about it too? It’s great”
Halo works for Apple and at least in some parts its definitely working for Opera too.
(btw Mini looks absolutely superb on the Nokia N95 8GB…)
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mrd, you’re not alone. We’re seeing that trend in Opera too. Opera Mini is certainly a way to get people interested in Opera.
P.S. Thanks for spreading Opera!
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That’s a lot of pages
Congrats.
Hope that deal with Google and Opera Mobile products will give you even more benefits (aka income) to continue working and promoting Opera.
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Daniel
Thanks for the link with financial results of Opera, I don’t know much about those kinds of docs but it seems that Opera is’t loosing money
I wanted to ask you if you could add my blog to your Opera Fan Blogs list, my blog is in spanish but I know that a lot of people that use Opera desktop and Mini live in spanish talking countries (almost all south america, Mexico and Spain), my blog is mostly about Opera Mini. Thanks. The blog name is Andres Ruiz Says at:
http://www.andresruizsays.blogspot.com/
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Daniel, you said:
> The 35 million users are ‘cumulative’ users. That means 35
> million people downloaded and used Opera Mini at least once.
> Obviously not all of these people continue using the browser
> after trying it out. In addition if you download Opera Mini twice,
> you’re counted as 2 users. In other words, there aren’t 35
> million people using Opera Mini today.
Given that you can measure page views, surely you can measure daily active users.
Firefox has had just over 500M downloads, resulting in about 285 million individuals who successfully connected to the web at least once (a completed install, probably akin to your “cumulative” users number.) If we were to use your “cumulative” measure, then we should be asserting 285M users. But clearly that’s not true since many of those people, as you note, don’t continue using the browser forever.
For Firefox, about 3 of 5 who download Firefox complete the install and connect to the Web. Of those, about 3 of 5 become actual users (using Firefox at least once a month,) and those, about 1/3rd become daily users. At Mozilla, we publish that information. Right now, it works out to just over 50M individuals that we see each day. Those 50 million each day are out of a pool of about 150M that we would see in a month-long period.
I think, given the constraints we have (we don’t track individuals) that this is a pretty good way to measure things and I’d encourage Opera to adopt a similar set of metrics.
Now, that doesn’t mean you stop talking about downloads, cumulative users, etc. — those are important metrics, not the least because they are inspirational and they tell your community about the successes they’re having in spreading the product. (for example, it’s easy for a Mozilla community member to say “I’ve helped 100 people download Firefox” but it’s really difficult for us to give them the specific number of people they specifically have using the browser on a daily basis.)
So, how many downloads, how many successful installs (cumulative users,) how many individual users in a given month, and how many daily users?
- A
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Asa, you bring up some important and valid points. I, for one, would rather see us refer to the 35 million as ‘downloads’ instead of ‘cumulative users’, which is vague.
There are ongoing discussions within Opera about the kind of statistics to release. The points you’ve made are certainly being taken into consideration. Maybe (hopefully) one day we’ll see those stats too.
As I mentioned above we are going to be releasing various stats showing the kind of websites people visit on mobile phones (which I think is more interesting than the number of Opera Mini users).
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There seems to be different definitions of *cumulative users* . My understanding is, *cumulative users* equals *number of devices*, as each device is given an unique ID (carrier, settings, specs). Downloaded and used is counted once. Upgrading device with a new OM version has no effect. However, a person having 2+ devices running OM will be counted 2+ times as user…
That said, the most interesting stat is the actual usage, ie. *number of pageloads*, and growth. Year on year, usage increased from 600m in January 2006 to 1700m in January 2007, a growth of 183%…
As for OM stats provided by Net Applications, they are wrong, thus not helpful, when spread by bloggers on the net. Opera should tell NA to produce right stats, or noone at all…
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Ops… typo. Correct is ” usage increased from 600m in January 2007 to 1700m in January 2008, a growth of 183%… ”
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Certainly having the unique ongoing users would be good BUT I am betting that the ratio of ongoing users to downloads is far higher for OM(4) than for any desktop browser (even FF Asa
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The embedded and mobile markets are very different beasts to the desktop markets and having something come along like OM that is far superior to generally available alternatives (or any alternatives) without a commonly accepted ‘baseline’ (IE, Safari, Konqueror) means that it’s going to capture a very much more noticeable percentage of people that give it a go than other markets.
Certainly every person that I know that has downloaded Opera Mini has ended up sticking with it (that figure is only about a dozen people though so only noted as a curio/observation rather than anything else)
One difference I would guess will be that in the Western world at least the mobile browsers will not browse as much or as often as they do on desktop browsers.
Whatever the figures though, Opera deserves credit for a fantastic little browser in Opera Mini and I’m not surprised to see those pages browsed figures going up so dramatically.
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As for # of users. 1,7 billion page views in 31 days are produced by any mix of users :
a. 55 million viewed 1 page daily, or
b. 27 million viewed 2 pages daily, or
c. 11 million viewed 5 pages daily, or…
Have a pick
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I don’t think the number of downloads is a meaningful metric. Many Opera Mini users never downloaded Opera Mini (as it was preinstalled when they bought the phone) and others downloaded it from somewhere other than Operas download servers.
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nilsson, since Opera controls the servers they can count every time someone uses Opera.