What would you like to see in the next version of Opera Mini?
89 CommentsPublished January 14th, 2008 7:32 PM EST By Daniel Goldman
Opera Mini 4 was released successfully a couple months ago, and the Opera Mini team is already hard at work making improvements and updates to the browser.
Planning Opera Mini’s roadmap
As we continue to work on Opera Mini’s long-term roadmap, we’d like to get some input and feedback from our users. We already collect feedback from Opera Mini users over at the Opera Mini forums (and other places), however we’d like reach out to a wider audience.
Request for feedback
Here’s your chance to help out (by answering the following questions):
- What new features and enhancements would you like to see in Opera Mini?
- Are there any mobile phones that you want support for Opera Mini added? If so, which phones?
- What else can we do to enhance the browsing experience in Opera Mini?
Your feedback is crucial in helping us make Opera Mini an even better and more popular browser.
Post your feedback in the comments below.
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So did you want us to respond in the comments section or elsewhere?
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roshan, post your comments here. I’ll updated the post to make it clearer.
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I know the Opera Mini team has made an experimental BREW-compatible version and is working on a deal with Verizon. I’d just like to put in my thanks and wishing them to continue charging forward with that. Verizon’s the most locked-down network, so if Opera can start to open Verizon up, maybe Verizon won’t insist on closed-standards VCAST. That stuff bugs me. Until then, I’ve got no feedback for Opera Mini, unfortunately; I’m on Verizon.
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Even though I don’t use Opera Mini, I think it would be great to include simple Copy/Paste abilities. Just to make Apple keep it’s game up with the iPhone you know.
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Built in download manager
support of saving pages
Ability to copy text
Ability to copy link’s address
2. Are there any mobile phones that you want support for Opera Mini added? If so, which phones?
All my mobile phones are supported by Opera Mini: Kudos!
3. What else can we do to enhance the browsing experience in Opera Mini?
Support streaming media
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1) copy & paste (saw it once on that .ru “prototype” way back in OM1.2)
2) Wand
3) Password Prompt on startup (especially if Wand is used)
4) individual bookmark preferences (image loading/quality, orientation, mobile view, etc)
5) tabs
6) svg (longshot wish)
7) multi-level zoom – currently the zoomed-out view is way too small to be useful on some pages
Bug fix:
Usually on multipaged forums, there’s a list of numbered links at the bottom for subsequent pages (e.g.: 2 3 4 5 6 7 8…). Mousing over any of the numbered links highlights the entire list of numbers. Clicking on that highlighted list, OM prompts whether or not I want to call the number (e.g., 234-5678).
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kill Opera Webmail (www.operamail.com), integrate it in the my.opera community and make it SUPERDUPERaccessible with Opera Mini. As in: Opera Mini, the email program.
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I would like opera mini to support downloading files. It is quite annoying that Opera Mini uses the (buggy) phone browser everytime you want to download something.
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Improved ajax support
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1) i hope that skins changing come back. I will appreciate a wider choice
2) Tabs, please
with simple navigation maybe with “0″ button.
3) on opera links possibility to simply rearrange links (ajax?)
4) i don´t know. What´s about some holographic projection in 3D available for every phone, of course
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My wishes:
1. Crash less on Treo 650. And by “less” I mean “less than once per session”.
2. Copy/paste, import/export clipboard to Treo’s system clipboard. I should be able to copy a phone number, email address, Web address to a PalmOS memo or contact.
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I thougt of anothere feature: autocomplete of url’s in the addresse bar. Like in opera desktop. Typing on a cell isn’t that easy so i’d like to keep that to a minimum..
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1. Global ‘quote’ link, so when i’m viewing an article, opera mini automagicly get the text of the article and show it on an edit box so i can copy/paste those texts (my phone supports this).
2. It’d be nice to have a native symbian opera mini
3. Automagicly detects version of webpages, so if a page is forcing all opera mini user to use the mobile or full version, we can still choose using a button, link or something else
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Make OM even faster… by (optional) loading all larger images *fit to screen* in Desktop mode, eliminating the need for horizontal scrolling when zoomed in. Add a automatic *go to top of next column* command (when bottom of a column is reached)… and voilà… no need for Mobile mode
The existing command *open image* would reload image in *original size* and top quality, as command suggests special interest in that particular image…
Also agree with @WildEnte… optimize OMail for OM, beat GMail and YMail in terms of simplicity. Adding features is the way to go… however # 1 feature is speed…
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1) Native PalmOS support
– Palm/Treo menu buttons and UI navigation
– Copy/Paste to Palm clipboard
– Remember app state (last page) when switching between apps
– Enable use as Default Browser for platform
– Enable email URLs to launch platform email app (as well as other “helper” app support)
2) URL Helpers
– One-button keypresses for common URL strings, such as http://WWW., .COM, .ORG, etc.
3) Table formatting in Mobile View
3) Stability / Fewer Hangs (Palm/IBM Java issue?)
Thanks for the amazing browser!
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My wishes for future Opera Mini:
1) Tabs for multiple pages. No need to display the tabs, instead put a shortcut to switch between tabs.
2) Text selection for easy copy-paste
3) Status bar, so I can see the link’s location
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It would be definetly Javascript
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Great suggestions so far. I’d like to suggest making rending in handheld style sheets (if present) the default. Rendering everything in screen layout isn’t practical for all sites.
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I would be happy with a working Opera Mini version (I mean 4.*) on my Siemens M65 – however, it’s on the supported phone list, but not working at all for me (there’s no problem with the 3.* version).
So, I guess the most fancy feature would be the Wand.
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Improved Palm support, definitively. At the moment, it’s absolutely unreliable, bordering on unusable. At least on a Palm T|X, which is otherwise perfectly suitable for Opera.
OM slows to a crawl almost always when you stop the loading of a page. Only quitting OM and restarting helps. Occasionally, especially if the remote server is not reachable, OM also completely stops, necessitating a soft reset.
OM also crashes when changing from Normal (320×320) to Landscape mode (480×320) or rotating the display (especially while in Landscape mode), if you do it while loading OM, loading a page or doing anything but just looking at a fully loaded page.
Less crashes overall would be nice.
The next issue is with the zoom. It would be a nice idea, if OM would make that “mouse cursor” thingy optional. Whenever you’re zoomed in on a page, pressing the omnidirectional hardware keys on the palm results not in the page to be moved, but rather in the “mouse cursor” to be moved, which is bad because to move the page you then have to either press the buttons a dozen times, of hold it, in which case the cursor exponentially speeds up and shoot way over the intended target. If I press right, I would like to immediately move to the next right tile.
I also agree that an intermediate zoom level would be nifty. As it stands, it’s either too far away, or already too close.
The in-built Opera Link, while a nifty idea in principle, is also virtually useless, because it doesn’t behave like the “real” bookmarks. The problem is, that the Opera Link bookmarks are not treated as a real page. That means that when I select a link, load that page and then want to return back to Opera Link folder I came from, I have to start all over, because the back-button takes me to the bookmarks root folder.
Additionally, while in mobile mode (the old OM 3.0, “small screen rendering” mode in which you only need to scroll vertically), the spatial navigation is broken. Or rather, the link selection is broken. Especially when one selects a link that was “folded” on the page, OM often selects an entirely different link from that page. The more links you find on the pages, the more often OM errs in its selection of that link.
As long as those gregarious issues are not resolved, more features would only mean even more bugs. At least for us hapless Palm users.
As for now, I’m still using OM 3 — it also crashes, but at least the rest works and the crashes can be predicted.
Additionally, it copes better with the fact that the Palm T|X has, if you don’t use external software, only a bit over 3 MB dynamic RAM (Heap). Which means that OM has to cope with 1MB, because the IBM Java environment only knows 512k, 1MB and then immediately 4 MB. The latter, or course, immediately leads to memory allocation faults.
OM3 only renders that which fits into the heap.
OM4 always renders the whole page till it runs out of memory, which means that many images are only rendered half, if at all.
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1) viewer of the page text like in mods or simple copying of the text from page
cache
2) skins
3) optimizing pages on servers to more comfortable experience on mobile phones (for example, minimising of lengths and widths of the pages)
4) mobile view always without horizontal scrolling
5) “hot keys” on 1, 3, 5, 7, 9
6) simple copying of page or link adress
7) small type with Cyrillic symbols
9) one or few selected images viewing on the page in “w/o images” mode
10) “only small images” mode
11) multiple windows to entering text like in mods
12) !!! new OM “very advanced” type with size > 100 kB
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If it bloats the browser – none.
If you’ve improved your magic though:
• tabs or multiple windows like iPhone’s Safari
• Saving of sessions, so I could leave Java, use phone’s functions, and resume browsing
• support for “ajaxified” forms (like on reddit and many WP blogs). I don’t care if it reloads the page, but it should do something other than displaying “ajax not supported”
• multiple font sizes on screen? (ofcourse just in +/- 1 pixel range) sidebars could use smaller font, or horizontal menus to avoid wrapping
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1) Support for smatphones that use windows mobile (they dont have jvm) like Motorola Q.
2) A better support for Hebrew sites.
3) Download manager.
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1. Copy and paste, flash plugin, user javascript
2. iPhone & BREW
3. Auto update feature ?
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Could WildEnte and other people stop posting about Opera Web Mail and other irrelevant stuff please?
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[off topic] i’d love to see opera mini team’s wish list for cell/mobile phone manufacturers
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I would like to see an RSS sync between my-opera, Opera 9.5 and Mini.
For the my-opera part think Bloglines or Google reader.
I would then be able to read news feeds using any of the three.
When I’ve viewed a feed all would be updated to show that I’ve already read that feed, IMAP style. So now I wouldn’t need to re-read feeds I’ve already seen they’d all be in sync.
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More support for low-end phones. Opera Mini 4 doesn’t work well at all in low-end phones like other versions did
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For all people asking for copy+paste – I’ve got c+p on my lowly S40 Nokia. Is this not an OS level thing?
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Speaking as a developer:
JavaScript, with ES 4 and E4X, XMLHttpRequest and DOM 0-3 (as I would like to see in any browser!) Can Futhark go mobile?
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Reading these comments, I can’t help but feeling that people are confusing Opera Mobile with Opera Mini.
Opera Mini is fundamentally a Java application. It will never be native to any platform, unless you’re talking about a Java platform, of course! Nor will it ever work on platforms without a JVM.
Living inside a Java sandbox imposes many limitations, as does the very limited resources available in a lot of “feature phones”. Things like copy-and-paste and downloading fit into this category. I’m not saying those features aren’t desirable, it’s just that Opera is limited (hamstrung?) by the features provided by the phone’s JVM.
I use Opera Mini on my Palm Treo 650. It’s better than Blazer, but as other posters have noted, stability is poor and as a result I try to avoid Opera Mini and only use it for things that absolutely can’t wait until I get to a bigger browser.
I point the finger at the IBM JVM, rather than anything Palm, although I’m sure the 650s relative lack of RAM contributes to the problem. I’m sort of hoping that Palms recent withdrawl of the JVM download from their site indicates they have some sort of better replacement planned.
I don’t know how much of the browsing state can be saved by Opera Mini, but given the lack of stability on my Palm, what I’d really like is something like the “session resume” feature Opera on the desktop has. It would make the frequent crashes easier to bear.
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a wand to remember my passwords and addresses
content blocking
tabs
notes
to be able to change the skin again
customised settings for webpages(like fit to width,..)
an e-mail client
That is what I can think of now
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1) copy & paste (saw it once on that .ru “prototype” way back in OM1.2)
2) Wand
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My Wishlist:
Download Pages
Download Manager!
Tabs
Skins
URL-Autocomplete
(Copy and Paste ist handled for symbian for me, but i couldn’t live with out it, so the none smarthphone would could need it)
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Symbian native
- this would be SO AWSOME, because opera mini is the best browser (it even outshines opera mobile) but the fact that it uses more of the half of my phones ram makes it always quit when I do something else, like answering an IM. Multitasking is one of the points of smartphones so …
But i think you would have the whole thing which would be a little to much to do.
Maybe you could intigrate a “Mini Mode” in Opera Mobile 9, and make it rock even harder.
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Cut, Copy, Paste and a page search function would really be great
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I would def like to be able to
1) save pages from opera mini.
2)multiple window browsing..(tabs)
3)copy, paste…
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Cut, Copy, Paste, and a search function would be my wishes
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@Andrew Gregory isn’t the BREW version native? I think BREW doesn’t have java sandbox, correct me if i’m wrong
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@Karl Sander: ‘mini mode’ on Opera Mobile was in my ‘5 things i’d like to see in opera’ list a while ago. Good idea
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> Are there any mobile phones that you want support
> for Opera Mini added? If so, which phones?
iPhone. I’m serious. Сolumns of text should wordwrap to fit screen width, which Safari can’t do.
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@Philry4n: I don’t know enough about BREW to answer. The Wikipedia entry says BREW supports the Java language (as well as C/C++). If there’s no sandbox, that’s great! The problem then becomes one of management: If one platform has no sandbox and it’s possible to implement all sorts of cool features (eg downloads) Opera Mini could become too big for more limited devices. I’ll leave it up to Opera to say if they want to produce lofi+hifi+kitchensink versions!
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I’d like to see a customizable UI. Granted that would be difficult on most phones, but it would probably make Opera Mini more popular.
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1. I’d like Opera Mini to be able to store web pages in my cell phone. When I select Opera Mini in my Sony Ericsson K550i, I select [more] > [Permissions] and I can allow Opera Mini and any java app to read and write user data, so I think is possible for Opera Mini to be able to store selected web pages (by user) so I could see them later without paying more money to re-access the web. In my opinion, it would be the best feature for Mini
2. I don’t know about any problem related to compatibility with a phone.
3.Mmm, Maybe, just an idea…an [ultra low cost-mode] with minimum data transfers for 3th world countries, very poor people who need the cheapest access to the internet. as I said it was just an idea, a friend of mine told me Opera Mini 3 used to represent lower data transfers so…less money. Now Opera Mini 4 has more desktop-like web but in my experience/opinion, it uses some more data, I can afford it but maybe some people don’t.
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Philry4n, you’re correct. Opera Mini for BREW is written in native code (I believe in C). However, Andrew made some very goods points (as usual) about Opera Mini.
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don’t know why but i have a problem with opera on my sony ericsson K750i so i will be happy when you fix it (install is succesfull but the is a problem loading pages)
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PDF preview would be great…
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If not already implemented (last time i checked it wasn’t): SSL with client side certificates. Almost no mobile browser gets it right.
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I’ve only used it on my Blackberry so my post is blackberry biased.
-Blackberry’s Browser supports some shortcuts to typing URL’s into the “goto” box. These shortcuts to making “.” and “/” are very helpful and work great when typing URL’s, I really miss them when going to the Opera Mini browser.
-When entering text into a field I do not like the way the browser switches to a “enter text” screen. Because of this you cannot press “enter” while in a form to submit the form. I have run into web pages that do not have “submit” buttons and require a “Enter” while in the form box in order to submit the form.
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I’d like to be able to see the current’s page URL and to be able to edit it in the “address field”. Also, when I press Stop while loading (for example because I realized I made a typo), there’s no way to retrieve the typed-in address and correct it. Finally, I miss the possibility to see link URL’s.
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What new features and enhancements would you like to see in Opera Mini?
* Copy/paste in forms/fields
* Many times I’ve thought it would be great to be able to run opera mini on my desktop if I’m in an area with only a modem connection to the internet.
* Have a “smartphone” option in the preferences. Enabling this would allow you to enable features that you might otherwise not want to provide. Knowing that Opera Mini is designed for anything from a smartphone to a flip phone, this would allow you to provide more advanced features that would otherwise not work on a regular cell phone or the phone would be too slow to run them.
Are there any mobile phones that you want support for Opera Mini added? If so, which phones?
* Opera Mini experience appears to be very dependent on the midlet manager it is running on. Partner with a MIDLET developer such as the Intent MIDLET manager and provide it as a download for phones that don’t ship with a midlet manager. My Treo 750 is a fairly new smartphone and came without a midlet manager. Bad decision by ATT, but something that you could easily work around. Partnership could be such that the user is re-directed to the developer’s site to download a version that is known to work with Opera Mini. This would prevent your support group from having to support a 3rd party Midlet manager anymore than I’m sure they already are. It would be nice if one would be more easily accessible.
What else can we do to enhance the browsing experience in Opera Mini?
* On the treo 750, scrolling through pages with your finger can sometimes cause the page to flip up to the previous position over and over as you try to scroll down with your finger. You scroll to the new position you want and when you release your finger, the page will go back to the previous position.
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First of all, I’m a huge fan. I love the browser!
Here are the features I really want:
* operaLink to store my saved searches. I have more saved searches than bookmarks
* password/form manager. mostly I want Roboform to run on my Blackberry but since it doesn’t I would like something to help me fill stuff out and at least remember user names and passwords
* search/find function to search on the current page
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Wikipedia and Google searches on the front page by default would be nice.
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- a wand (password manager)
- find in page search (inline find)
3.
- remember the last typed in URL or search in its input field (so you can easily correct a typo if you enter the wrong url or search term)
- remember the last used search between sessions
- option to manually add and edit search engines (for some search engines “create search” doesn’t work if they rely on javascript etc.)
- eliminate the “flash” that images make when you first look at them (images are probably being decoded when you first display them, maybe preprocess images that are near, but just outside the viewport?)
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A couple more:
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- preview functionality for files like PDF, DOC, XLS, ODT, ODS, … This could be done server-side, like google does.
- synchronizing more stuff like RSS feeds, wand data etc.
3.
- improve arranging searches (moving up and down) which is awfully slow (Nokia 6680) and somewhat clumsy (moving by one place at a time)
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copy n paste ability, read n write user data (i’m on SE K750i) would be nice.. thx anyway.
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@Andrew i think we’ll have to see if the brew version has different features
just a tip for everyone using s60 phones, you can copy/paste text in edit textbox (’Enter Text’) using the pencil button. Some who doesn’t have pencil button like 6120 classic can use # and/or * key
with the method above i can copy : urls (bookmarks and searches too), my own blog posts :p, forum quotes and any other texts that are editable.
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Mark Higgins, I think Yahoo has a contract with Opera Software for their search to be the default. I think they offered the highest percentage of advertising money for searches done through Opera Mini.
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Strategically OM 5+ should be optimized for 2+ inches 240 x 320 screens, meaning Desktop mode…
By improving *wrapping technique* in Desktop mode, Mobile mode could be removed, freeing kb for new features. OM 4 is rather bloated, having 2 modes doing basicly the same, when page is zoomed in.
It’s not vital to replicate web page design 100% in desktop view. Fond selection alters the design anyway. Desktop view is about navigation, ie. access to selected content. Vital for success is speed.
By reducing larger images to fit phone screen, and *wrapping* both images and text into screen wide columns, download speed would increase, and navigation would be alot faster, as alot more vertical scrolling and by pressing keys 4 and 6 to switch between (image/text wrapped) columns.
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Well, Daniel, if you’re right and Opera Mini on BREW was written in C, then I’ll line up behind everyone else and wish for a native Palm implementation. Heck, give me the protocol and I’d have a poke at it!
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Javascript & ajax support would be perfect
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Text search and copy text
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Haree: JavaScript is already supported. Even some Ajax, but remember that it’s a “thin client” and the JS processing is done by a server so it has to be kind of limited.
Where did you get the idea that it doesn’t support JS?
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1) tabs, definitely
2) reduce the time “Connecting…” for each page opening.
GPRS has long pings so establishing new TCP connection every time takes time. What about leaving the TCP connection open after page downloads and re-use it for next download? And create new TCP connection in parallel (and send the request) in case the long-lived connection was silently discarded by cellular operator. If both request make it to Opera’s servers, the servers can know the duplicate request can be ignored.
(I am either clever or there is some hidden problem.)
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A killer feature would be session synchronization between desktop and mobile.
Imagine reading an article on the desktop, and then go to the bus and open the same article on the mobile.
PS: I have actually implementeted this with a UserJS on the desktop that updates a dynamic webpage on my webserver with pages opened.
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You should make OM a little bit faster. OM3 was quite fast on my Sony Ericsson W800i, but OM4 is slow, especially, when I navigate in landscape mode.
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1. E-mail client
(-Forexample if i click on e-mail addres, than opera Mini go on my.opera.com and i can write e-mail and the mini copy the e-mail addres automatic
-Or: pop3 support)
2. Tabbed browsing
3. PDF, DOC, PPT preview (Your servers make DOC, PDF, PPT —> html)
4. Wand
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iPhone version.
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>> saving webpages would be great !
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Thanks for asking.
Copy/paste
Send/email link or page
Tabs
Highlight color invisible on pages with blue backgrounds
Please
Curve 8320, Tmo, Omini 4.010031
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1. I like to access banking account on the move. So, Javascript is a must.
2. Preview function for PDF, Word n Excel files.
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Wendy:
JavaScript is already supported.
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Some requests from Hungarian users:
- clipboard functionality, copy/paste
- send selected text in SMS
- better chache, because sometimes it “forgets” passwords
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- select, copy and paste text
major PITA for me
- config option to report being a desktop browser
Some pages force you to a ridiculous featureless pda version of it’s site when using a mobile browser, whilst opera mini would be able to view it all with bells and whistles.
Let us trick these sites to have the real ™ tnternet on our devices.
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Definitely quick text search with wiki and dictionary.Removal of boxes that are over the images it causes my phone (se j300a) to jam.Improvement in image links they are fuzzy, http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com
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1. i hope om4 can have better ajax support. nowadays there too many sites required ajax. i hope i can use om4 normally in facebook
2. i hope the virual mouse cursor support mouse over. it is because some dynamic menu cannot be populated in om4.
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ad 3) I´d like to have some key shortcuts to scroll down or up on the page – for example pressing 9 could scroll to the end of the page and pressing 3 could scroll at the beginning. It´s quite irritating to scroll down all the way by using cursor keys on pages, that are supposed to be read from below.
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1. Ability to save/open web pages to/from the phone memory.
2. Skins support.
3. Text search in page.
4. Copy/paste including to/from the address field.
Your browser is great anyway!
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@knut, how did you do that?
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- Some way to group bookmarks. If not folders, then at least separators (like in the desktop version)
- Text search
- Bring back the OM3 feature that remembers the latest selection in Bookmarks (#2) when using Back
- Ability to disable “phone number recognition”
- Bring back the OM3 feature that enabled viewing text files (.txt) with correct paragraph breaks
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@Ameer
I’m a total n00b at JavaScript, but made a UserJS with a eventlistener that fires a function that executes a request to my web-server on every loaded page like this:
GET http://myWebSite.com/operaSync?url=?title=
The script on my webserver picks up the url and put it on a web-page which shows the last 50 requested pages from any of my web-browsers (work, home, laptop++)
You could also make the list as a RSS-feed to access from OM4.
Would be very cool if anybody implemented this better! My scripting abilities sucks bigtime
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copi & paste
A faster connection to tue server
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I want tab browsing,quick text search,removal of boxes over the images and better image quality as links.
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The day i upgraded to operamini 4 my trouble started. Fine it has all this fancy layouts but,my problem was the fact that i cant make operamini personal,no changing of skins,plus no testing of the network unlike the case with operaini v3. If it cant get trough due to network congestion it will just give you some dum mess. About ‘unable to connect contact your network administrator’ i mean i have 3g on my phone and a page takes forever to load.?! If you guys can improve on this il be happy to continue with it. I personaly thought that the 3version was better! Prove me wrong..
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An intermediate level of zoom would be great. My phone has a 320×200 screen. When I go to, say, nytimes.com, the full-page view is shrunken so much that I can’t read any of the text. But then when I zoom in, it goes REALLY CLOSE and there are only about three words on each line of text, not exactly great for readability!
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1. Copy and Paste
2. Wand
3. Tabs
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The ability to clear history without deleting the url
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I love opera. The only thing that I don’t like is that you can’t add text without clicking on a box. If you could just fix that the program would be 1000 times better!
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OM really needs to allow input into text fields without a separate text window. On the Blackberry, it still needs to support the BB’s menu key and other typical Blackberry shortcuts (space = page down, t = top of page, b= bottom of page). Having to use the keys on the keypad to access the menu makes it too tedious for me to even bother with it.
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Symbian Series 80 for my 9300i
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So I love opera – and actually learnt about Opera Mini at a job interview in Oslo – but I was most disappointed that I couldn’t save pages for future viewing. Surely there is an internal representation (html or otherwise) that could be saved – or just download the whole html page if the user asks to save it? (though could be tricky with pages that expire and can’t easily be requeried). You guys will work it out!
Also – NetFront, which comes with my phone, seems to interact better with yahoo mail. I don’t know how it works, but maybe yahoo recognises netfront and sends different content – it’s very easy to read. Do we need a “masquerade as browser X” like desktop opera has?
What else….
Not sure yet if opera mini supports site preferences – eg – no images for this site, but images for all the rest. Would be nice, to minimize downloads.
Other than that – yep, mini is as awesome as desktop!