Comments on: Congrats to the IE team on IE8’s passing of the Acid2 test http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html A blog covering the latest buzz on the Opera browser and its competition. Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:54:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Øyvind Ø http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-72010 Øyvind Ø Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:28:29 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-72010 The messed up picture is supposed to look like that smiley. The smiley you see is just a picture of what the smiley should look like it your browser knew what it was doing. But looks like we congratulated the IE team too soon. If today's decision is final, IE will never pass the Acid 2 test. Maybe we should just call CSS2 for IE7 instead, and then change the recommendations accordingly :( - ØØ - The messed up picture is supposed to look like that smiley. The smiley you see is just a picture of what the smiley should look like it your browser knew what it was doing.

But looks like we congratulated the IE team too soon. If today’s decision is final, IE will never pass the Acid 2 test. Maybe we should just call CSS2 for IE7 instead, and then change the recommendations accordingly :(

- ØØ -

]]> By: sean http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-71983 sean Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:04:09 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-71983 Okay, I'm confused. I am using a browser, its the AT&T/SBC Yahoo! one. I'm not sure what the second picture on the Acid 2 test is supposed to look like. I went to the website, took it, and ended with a similar picture to the IE8 one. What is the messed-up picture supposed to look like? Okay, I’m confused. I am using a browser, its the AT&T/SBC Yahoo! one. I’m not sure what the second picture on the Acid 2 test is supposed to look like. I went to the website, took it, and ended with a similar picture to the IE8 one. What is the messed-up picture supposed to look like?

]]> By: w2 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70708 w2 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:41:52 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70708 and you DO like to change your nicknames, and UA strings, nelson. double standards it seems, as Daniel does nothing with it. and btw. you saing something is FAR from refuting anything. youll have to do better, like you know, provide facts, not opera press relases. "ANd there are lots of examples of similar things in Firefox." difference is, firefox has 20-40% marketshare and somehow it always, in gray areas, goes the IE-way, just to avoid troubles. and it is your first chance to say something different than opera press relases - if there are lots, state at least 5. until then - please be quiet. and you DO like to change your nicknames, and UA strings, nelson. double standards it seems, as Daniel does nothing with it.

and btw. you saing something is FAR from refuting anything. youll have to do better, like you know, provide facts, not opera press relases.

“ANd there are lots of examples of similar things in Firefox.”

difference is, firefox has 20-40% marketshare and somehow it always, in gray areas, goes the IE-way, just to avoid troubles. and it is your first chance to say something different than opera press relases - if there are lots, state at least 5. until then - please be quiet.

]]> By: w3 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70686 w3 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:26:25 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70686 The difference is that you keep changing the subject after your claims have been refuted. The difference is that you keep changing the subject after your claims have been refuted.

]]> By: w2 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70562 w2 Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:21:23 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70562 http://www.officelive.com/ try this link in opera, try it in firefox. see a difference? http://www.officelive.com/

try this link in opera, try it in firefox. see a difference?

]]> By: w2 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70489 w2 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:20:22 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70489 you need only one part of a website to fail in a browser to make it 'browser A uncompatible' yes, you can read digg's main page, no, you cant use 100% of its functionality, same goes with deviantart and as for the validator, operawatch.com also fails now, due to wrong object placement in the code. so what? you need only one part of a website to fail in a browser to make it ‘browser A uncompatible’

yes, you can read digg’s main page, no, you cant use 100% of its functionality, same goes with deviantart

and as for the validator, operawatch.com also fails now, due to wrong object placement in the code. so what?

]]> By: carlos http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70480 carlos Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:56:52 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70480 dont know about devianart but digg works great in opera also digg is a lot faster for me in opera than in firefox or ie dont know about devianart but digg works great in opera also digg is a lot faster for me in opera than in firefox or ie

]]> By: Crazy http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70477 Crazy Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:08:25 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70477 Not only do they not fail in Opera, but they also don't validate. They are far from standards compliant. Not only do they not fail in Opera, but they also don’t validate. They are far from standards compliant.

]]> By: Jadd http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70474 Jadd Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:25:46 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70474 Digg and devianart fail? No they don't. They work fine in Opera. Digg and devianart fail? No they don’t. They work fine in Opera.

]]> By: w3 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70434 w3 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:58:34 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70434 "but they work in FF, so they werent designed in ie-only approach. and if FF can manage to serve them well, why opera cant?" The main reasons are: 1. Web designers always designed for both IE and Netscape back in the day. When the new Gecko based Netscape was released (before Firefox), lots of sites updated to support it because they were used to doing so with NS4. Firefox could simply "freeload" off of this. 2. Market share. "maybe because opera insists to go its own path, instead of following the bigger brothers?" This is obviously false since Opera by their own statements work actively on compatibility. Opera supports a huge number of things just be compatible with other browsers, such as document.all. "want examples? why JS date format is different in opera?" You'll have to do better than that. ANd there are lots of examples of similar things in Firefox. "both digg and deviantart are coded with standards in mind, both fail at some point in opera. care to explain?" Neither of these are even close to standards compliant. Sorry, but again you'll have to do better than that. “but they work in FF, so they werent designed in ie-only approach. and if FF can manage to serve them well, why opera cant?”

The main reasons are:

1. Web designers always designed for both IE and Netscape back in the day. When the new Gecko based Netscape was released (before Firefox), lots of sites updated to support it because they were used to doing so with NS4. Firefox could simply “freeload” off of this.

2. Market share.

“maybe because opera insists to go its own path, instead of following the bigger brothers?”

This is obviously false since Opera by their own statements work actively on compatibility. Opera supports a huge number of things just be compatible with other browsers, such as document.all.

“want examples? why JS date format is different in opera?”

You’ll have to do better than that. ANd there are lots of examples of similar things in Firefox.

“both digg and deviantart are coded with standards in mind, both fail at some point in opera. care to explain?”

Neither of these are even close to standards compliant.

Sorry, but again you’ll have to do better than that.

]]> By: w2 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70411 w2 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:24:53 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70411 "If they were designed for standards they would work in Opera." both digg and deviantart are coded with standards in mind, both fail at some point in opera. care to explain? “If they were designed for standards they would work in Opera.”

both digg and deviantart are coded with standards in mind, both fail at some point in opera. care to explain?

]]> By: w2 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70410 w2 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:24:07 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70410 but they work in FF, so they werent designed in ie-only approach. and if FF can manage to serve them well, why opera cant? maybe because opera insists to go its own path, instead of following the bigger brothers? (in gray areas, that are quite common in w3c 'standards') want examples? why JS date format is different in opera? even wandered what are the implications for this? there are tens if not more of such things opera did upstream, asking itself for inevitable troubles. and now it is 'ie only coding'? BS! but they work in FF, so they werent designed in ie-only approach. and if FF can manage to serve them well, why opera cant?

maybe because opera insists to go its own path, instead of following the bigger brothers? (in gray areas, that are quite common in w3c ’standards’)

want examples? why JS date format is different in opera? even wandered what are the implications for this? there are tens if not more of such things opera did upstream, asking itself for inevitable troubles. and now it is ‘ie only coding’? BS!

]]> By: mfff http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70409 mfff Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:17:44 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70409 Ehud Opera's biggest problems is that sites aren't working. Sites aren't working because they are designed for IE and not standards. If they were designed for standards they would work in Opera. Ehud

Opera’s biggest problems is that sites aren’t working. Sites aren’t working because they are designed for IE and not standards. If they were designed for standards they would work in Opera.

]]> By: Daiwai http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70408 Daiwai Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:07:32 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70408 @ Ehud it would actually be an advantage over the current situation for Opera, as they would only have to implement one version (that of the W3C) of each standard instead of also having to emulate IE quirks mode. @ Ehud it would actually be an advantage over the current situation for Opera, as they would only have to implement one version (that of the W3C) of each standard instead of also having to emulate IE quirks mode.

]]> By: Ehud http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70401 Ehud Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:58:21 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/congrats-to-the-ie-team-on-ie8s-passing-of-the-acid2-test.html#comment-70401 Let's just say the already dominant IE complies FULLY to web standards- sometime in the (hypothetical) future. How, then, will Opera make up all that lost ground (in terms of usage stats) between them? Let’s just say the already dominant IE complies FULLY to web standards- sometime in the (hypothetical) future. How, then, will Opera make up all that lost ground (in terms of usage stats) between them?

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