Magazine: Tech insiders like to tout Opera as the new thing in browsers
Published November 13th, 2007 12:54 PM EST By Daniel GoldmanAn article in E-Gear, a buyer’s guide magazine, talks about the new coolness with the Opera browser.
“In tech circles, using Mozilla’s browser used to hip and cool, until Firefox became pretty much de rigeur among aficionados. Just as fashionistas always need to move onto a new thing when the “masses” discover something, the tech insiders like to tout Opera as the new thing in browsers. I haven’t seen the numbers on the brand’s mindshare for general Web use, but Opera is getting a real boost from Nintendo, which has a version of Opera on the Wii and on the Nintendo DS.”
“Opera Mini 4 has a lot of other cool features, like horizontal orientation and book mark synchronization with your desktop browser. Being free, it is worth the download for anyone who wants an alternative to the usually mobile browser. They may even have beaten Apple at its own full-browser game.”
Read: Opera’s iPhone Envy (e-gear)
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cool factor is enough ONLY when basics are covered
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iPhone envy ‘eh…? How long has Opera been on the DS again with the same features that Safari on the iPhone has? The name should be more like “Opera mini, that which inspired the iPhone.”
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w2: Comments on blogposts are only valuable then they make any sense….
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w2 wouldn’t know the basics if they punched him in the face - that much has been established by himself in this blog
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Still, it would be interesting to know what w2 was referring to.
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“… Even though Opera is still the mobile browser to beat, WebKit-based browsers are fast becoming a common presence in some of the newer mobile platforms. In addition to Google’s Android, WebKit has found a home inside the Apple iPhone platform as well as the Nokia-backed Symbian S60 phones, such as the N and E Series devices… ”
http://gigaom.com/2007/11/13/webkit/
Now that all competitors are defined… WebKit based, PIE, and NetFront… it seems like Opera has nothing to worry about
Keep up the brilliant work (and release Mobile 9 sooner)
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Haha… so ironic: touting Opera as “the new thing in browsers” when Opera’s been around since 1996.
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what i had in mind? noone is going to use cool product that fails at basics. web browser is not a piece of art, it is an utitiy, that if broken is worthless. I’m reffering to: google services that are broken and never will be fixed (it is google strategy it seems), yahoo services, that are broken, MS services that are broken.. I dont think that i need to point out examples, because we all know what these pages are, and how many people use them, and dont use opera because it doesnt work there.
also - MS silverlight that will probably be never available for opera, same as with wmp11 plugin that will not install unless you have firefox installed. opera will die the day Adobe kills support for flash for opera..
ajax.net - broken in opera. It really doesnt matter why, but this stuff breaks very esily in opera - it is MS JS framework to be used with .net 2.0 webapplications. it applies to many other JS frameworks, that are written without opera in mind.
do i have to list more? basics broken = enough
alongside basics there is user experience, that is way better in firefox - installing plugins, installing extensions, upgrading - seamless, easy, straightforward. opera never understood these three words - compare installing spellchecker, you cant compare it..
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I sometimes grumble about how Mac users are very loud considering their low market share still. But Opera is becoming the same way.
I’ve not followed Digg for a while (I’m not American, and I really get fed up with a 3 year build up to an election) but it used to be that when an Opera article got dugg, a bunch of FF users would come in saying how FF was much better and how Opera wasn’t all that etc…
I did chuckle when I started seeing that reversed. Opera users would jump in on FF threads, pointing out how Opera had probably been doing whatever new thing it was for a while, and better. And Opera article threads didn’t get overrun by FF users.
Considering the still tiny market share Opera has, we’re making a fair amount of noise these days. Keep it going, it might help push that % up
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w2: Yet you use Opera yourself…
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Nov 14th, 2007 at 2:50 am
using Opera 9.50 on Windows XP
what i had in mind? noone is going to use cool product that fails at basics. web browser is not a piece of art, it is an utitiy, that if broken is worthless.
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w2: Lots of stuff is broken in Firefox and Safari/WebKit as well. Your point being? Safari is even less compatible than Opera.
And if it’s the site that specifically breaks a browser, is it the browser that fails at basics? Like it is the black man in South Africa who failed at being white because he was being discriminated for being black?
According to w2, all browsers except IE6 are worthless. Even IE7 has site compatibility problems to this day.
basics broken = enough
w2 returns to his precious IE6
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but Olli, dare to address my points, or rather dissmiss them by ommision?
i do use opera just to know what im talking about, if i had posted from ff your answer would be ‘do you know what are you talking about’
for work/daily browsing i use latest ff3 nightly, and you know? they did their version of ’smart’ address bar MUCH better than Opera did, it is faster, learns better and faster and does not kill my rig every time i use it.
“And if it’s the site that specifically breaks a browser, is it the browser that fails at basics?”
for the market - yes. customers couldnt be bothered to find what is the real reason, they blame tool they use - opera in this case. they try ff - it works, try opera - it is broken. whos to blame? opera. it really doesnt matter who is right.
and btw, i have yet to find a mainstream page that is broken in ff2/3
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whatever: This has been adressed to death already a million times in different threads in my.opera.com. I suggest you have a search there
Your trolling really doesn’t spark a interest in me to discuss this with you
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lol.. and you wonder why opera has so bad PR
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And thus, whateverX returns to IE. The only browser which hardly fails anywhere. Because both Firefox and Safari fail on a lot of sites.
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w2, you’re confusing me with all of your nicks (underwhlemed, sid, whatever2, and now w2).
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if opera had autocomplete like all other browsers it wouldnt be the case
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@whatever: ….The Wand. Ever heard of it? It’s far superior to autocomplete as it allows you to input multiple login names and passwords for either different accounts or different users. Much better in my opinion. But if you’re so anti-Opera, than why do you use it?
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opera doesnt ask me to save ‘password’ for this comment field, as this isnt a real password. i wouldnt call wand ‘far superior’ as it isnt, it does one thing better than Firefox, i like the yellow outline, but user experience of autocomplete can be understood only after youve used it for some time. i dont miss wand in firefox, however i do miss autocomplete each time i use opera.
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“if opera had autocomplete like all other browsers it wouldnt be the case”
Autocomplete is not needed on this site, since it remembers your name and e-mail address.
But weren’t you going back to IE since it’s the only browser which handles (almost) all sites?
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page stores that info in cookies that i delete on exit, autocomplete works anyway
and firefox3 handles all major pages very well, some better than IE
point me to mainstream page that breaks in firefox2/3, come on, provide at least some input, Nelson, the only opera troll that remains
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page stores that info in cookies that i delete on exit, autocomplete works anyway
There you got the main reason why Opera doesn’t got it. Security.
you delete the cookies but the autocomplete hold a lot of private information.
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Please ignore the “w” troll. Seriously.
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w2, a.k.a whatever, sid and so on…
Still a bit angry with yourself? So much names won’t calm that.
Why spend time round here if just for grumbling and saying nothing worthy…
Just keep on alone, from now, and be happy if you can!