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	<title>Comments on: What to expect with Opera 9.5 alpha?</title>
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		<title>By: Kwerboom</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67353</link>
		<dc:creator>Kwerboom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sebastian: I did go a little overboard and for that I apologize.  What you must understand is that I want Opera to succeed.  Opera is a great product with a lot of great features.  It frustrates me to no end that Opera doesn't seem willing to listen to both current customers and prospective customers to become as successful or more successful than Firefox or IE.

Opera does come off to me as a bad door-to-door salesman or politician would, coming around regularly with something 'new and improved' that has the same old glaring problems in it.  And the lack of out-of-the-box autoupdate, autocomplete, and inline-spellchecking is a MAJOR problem for me.  

Autoupdate alone, for example, is the main reason I don't and won't recommend Opera as an alternative to Firefox and IE 7.  A product that can self-update is really a bare minimum these days for most all products.   An autoupdate feature makes it easy for anyone using a program with that feature to be as up-to-date and secure as possible.  

I have a family member who I got to use Firefox after the security scare with IE 6  (one of the few &lt;a href="http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878" rel="nofollow"&gt;Homeland Security scares&lt;/a&gt; worth using).  I was talking about the world of alternative browsers and Opera came up, so they wanted to try that out.  Firefox autoupdates so they have no problems with that.  Opera, on the other hand, first came down to talking about why it doesn't update  'like Firefox', 'like Adobe Reader', or 'like Microsoft update' and now when will I update it being as they won't.  I already cringe at updating their computer from 9.23 to 9.5.

Opera has a great product.  Opera on Wii is a smash success and Opera Mini will be a success in its own right (especially going up against the bloated and flawed iPhone).  Opera on desktop is within a hair's breath of making that same sale, but without following what Sid has said, it won't bridge that gap completely with me and others like me who would give it that chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sebastian: I did go a little overboard and for that I apologize.  What you must understand is that I want Opera to succeed.  Opera is a great product with a lot of great features.  It frustrates me to no end that Opera doesn&#8217;t seem willing to listen to both current customers and prospective customers to become as successful or more successful than Firefox or IE.</p>
<p>Opera does come off to me as a bad door-to-door salesman or politician would, coming around regularly with something &#8216;new and improved&#8217; that has the same old glaring problems in it.  And the lack of out-of-the-box autoupdate, autocomplete, and inline-spellchecking is a MAJOR problem for me.  </p>
<p>Autoupdate alone, for example, is the main reason I don&#8217;t and won&#8217;t recommend Opera as an alternative to Firefox and IE 7.  A product that can self-update is really a bare minimum these days for most all products.   An autoupdate feature makes it easy for anyone using a program with that feature to be as up-to-date and secure as possible.  </p>
<p>I have a family member who I got to use Firefox after the security scare with IE 6  (one of the few <a href="http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878">Homeland Security scares</a> worth using).  I was talking about the world of alternative browsers and Opera came up, so they wanted to try that out.  Firefox autoupdates so they have no problems with that.  Opera, on the other hand, first came down to talking about why it doesn&#8217;t update  &#8216;like Firefox&#8217;, &#8216;like Adobe Reader&#8217;, or &#8216;like Microsoft update&#8217; and now when will I update it being as they won&#8217;t.  I already cringe at updating their computer from 9.23 to 9.5.</p>
<p>Opera has a great product.  Opera on Wii is a smash success and Opera Mini will be a success in its own right (especially going up against the bloated and flawed iPhone).  Opera on desktop is within a hair&#8217;s breath of making that same sale, but without following what Sid has said, it won&#8217;t bridge that gap completely with me and others like me who would give it that chance.</p>
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		<title>By: paulw</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67331</link>
		<dc:creator>paulw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Just loaded 9.5.

Problems .  

1. "Server Certificate Expired" popup.  No icon labels and when  I click either button it does not access the site and eventually says "Could not connect to remote server"

2. This site looks crap now http://www.nec.co.jp/press/en/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Just loaded 9.5.</p>
<p>Problems .  </p>
<p>1. &#8220;Server Certificate Expired&#8221; popup.  No icon labels and when  I click either button it does not access the site and eventually says &#8220;Could not connect to remote server&#8221;</p>
<p>2. This site looks <acronym title="crap">****</acronym> now <a href="http://www.nec.co.jp/press/en/index.html">http://www.nec.co.jp/press/en/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67323</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOA! I think Kwerboom is going a little too far. I choose Opera over any other browser hands down. If it has any faults it is trying to be over pleasing. Lets remember this is just an alpha and many of this problems and 'features' may not make it to the final release. I hope they fix the shorcuts-gate and so we can all be happy Opera users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOA! I think Kwerboom is going a little too far. I choose Opera over any other browser hands down. If it has any faults it is trying to be over pleasing. Lets remember this is just an alpha and many of this problems and &#8216;features&#8217; may not make it to the final release. I hope they fix the shorcuts-gate and so we can all be happy Opera users.</p>
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		<title>By: Kwerboom</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67322</link>
		<dc:creator>Kwerboom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Sid.  Everything he listed are the main reasons I don't take Opera seriously as a browser to Firefox and IE 7.  

Really, the programmers and engineers at Opera should get their acts together and focus on some low and boring stuff.  These guys remind me of my American politicians, talking about flag burning amendment while bridges collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sid.  Everything he listed are the main reasons I don&#8217;t take Opera seriously as a browser to Firefox and IE 7.  </p>
<p>Really, the programmers and engineers at Opera should get their acts together and focus on some low and boring stuff.  These guys remind me of my American politicians, talking about flag burning amendment while bridges collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67310</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Sebastian.
This option could be in the installation setup or first run setup.
Thx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sebastian.<br />
This option could be in the installation setup or first run setup.<br />
Thx</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67309</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can't we have different preloaded Keyboard Configuration Files? One for each of the other browsers? So if you come from one of those, just change your settings and be done?

The old shortcuts are too hardwired on my brain to have to learn them all over again. I changed my conf back to use Ctrl+N to open a new tab. THAT hardwired. I understand that interbrowser compatibility is important for people to make the jump to this ship, but I don't think that should be acomplished by screwing the faithful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t we have different preloaded Keyboard Configuration Files? One for each of the other browsers? So if you come from one of those, just change your settings and be done?</p>
<p>The old shortcuts are too hardwired on my brain to have to learn them all over again. I changed my conf back to use Ctrl+N to open a new tab. THAT hardwired. I understand that interbrowser compatibility is important for people to make the jump to this ship, but I don&#8217;t think that should be acomplished by <acronym title="screwing">********</acronym> the faithful.</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67286</link>
		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theyve removed the view bar?!?!? 
and they are telling us, that opera is for developers?

how we are suposed to use only tools that work - http://operawiki.info/WebDevToolbar ? 

somebody wasnt thinking at ALL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theyve removed the view bar?!?!?<br />
and they are telling us, that opera is for developers?</p>
<p>how we are suposed to use only tools that work - <a href="http://operawiki.info/WebDevToolbar">http://operawiki.info/WebDevToolbar</a> ? </p>
<p>somebody wasnt thinking at ALL</p>
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		<title>By: Bowser</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67285</link>
		<dc:creator>Bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey just posting with 9.5 :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey just posting with 9.5 <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67284</link>
		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is here. and it is hopeless..

why, WHY youve added getElementsByClass? all js libraries use this very same name to do the very same thing. conflicts will arise, and it is opera to blame. js lib writers will not remove their functions just because .5%marketshare opera decided to blow things up. these things will not work ok in opera

they've added an INTERFACE option, to manage single key shortcuts.. instead of providing one small text file, another keyboard setup.. it is hopeless. it an example of using very, very big hammer to nail a very very smal nail. whoever decided to do it that way simply wasted lots and lots of manhours to achieve something that 5yo wouldve done in 5 minutes.

and btw no, clicking that 'enable one key shortcuts' does not back to an old set of keys. and new key layout is simply sh..

there is still no oncontextmenu support, but instead some quite useless things from css3 were thrown in, that nobody will use. but oncontextmenu is USED now and on these pages opera is a complete no go.

no, thanks, ff3 will do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is here. and it is hopeless..</p>
<p>why, WHY youve added getElementsByClass? all js libraries use this very same name to do the very same thing. conflicts will arise, and it is opera to blame. js lib writers will not remove their functions just because .5%marketshare opera decided to blow things up. these things will not work ok in opera</p>
<p>they&#8217;ve added an INTERFACE option, to manage single key shortcuts.. instead of providing one small text file, another keyboard setup.. it is hopeless. it an example of using very, very big hammer to nail a very very smal nail. whoever decided to do it that way simply wasted lots and lots of manhours to achieve something that 5yo wouldve done in 5 minutes.</p>
<p>and btw no, clicking that &#8216;enable one key shortcuts&#8217; does not back to an old set of keys. and new key layout is simply sh..</p>
<p>there is still no oncontextmenu support, but instead some quite useless things from css3 were thrown in, that nobody will use. but oncontextmenu is USED now and on these pages opera is a complete no go.</p>
<p>no, thanks, ff3 will do</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Monroe</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67280</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Monroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those for whom it wasn't clear, Opera would benefit from hiring someone like Sid as User Advocate. His suggestions, unlike many I've seen, are insightfully centered on the "average user" - ultimately the group that would propell Opera beyond its small marketshare percentage (our common hope I imagine).

Only a handful of techies really understand users; from his suggestions, Sid seems one of them. Opera has repeatedly demonstrated its ability to deliver great software, but work remains on the usability front.

Hope it clarified...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those for whom it wasn&#8217;t clear, Opera would benefit from hiring someone like Sid as User Advocate. His suggestions, unlike many I&#8217;ve seen, are insightfully centered on the &#8220;average user&#8221; - ultimately the group that would propell Opera beyond its small marketshare percentage (our common hope I imagine).</p>
<p>Only a handful of techies really understand users; from his suggestions, Sid seems one of them. Opera has repeatedly demonstrated its ability to deliver great software, but work remains on the usability front.</p>
<p>Hope it clarified&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Grrblt</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67278</link>
		<dc:creator>Grrblt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the 9.5 preview at http://cybernetnews.com/2007/09/03/cybernotes-exclusive-opera-95-features-video/
I'm a little disappointed the "secret feature" was just bookmark sync (that I have no use for) and not something cool like docked widgets, but the history search within pages in the address bar seems like an absolutely fantastic idea.

Also from the article: The “Save your password” dialog box does not stop the page from loading behind it. That way you can verify that the username and password you entered works before actually saving it. What a great feature!
It really is a great feature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the 9.5 preview at <a href="http://cybernetnews.com/2007/09/03/cybernotes-exclusive-opera-95-features-video/">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/09/03/cybernotes-exclusive-opera-95-features-video/</a><br />
I&#8217;m a little disappointed the &#8220;secret feature&#8221; was just bookmark sync (that I have no use for) and not something cool like docked widgets, but the history search within pages in the address bar seems like an absolutely fantastic idea.</p>
<p>Also from the article: The “Save your password” dialog box does not stop the page from loading behind it. That way you can verify that the username and password you entered works before actually saving it. What a great feature!<br />
It really is a great feature.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67275</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hidden feature is synchronization.

http://cybernetnews.com/2007/09/03/cybernotes-exclusive-opera-95-features-video/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hidden feature is synchronization.</p>
<p><a href="http://cybernetnews.com/2007/09/03/cybernotes-exclusive-opera-95-features-video/">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/09/03/cybernotes-exclusive-opera-95-features-video/</a></p>
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		<title>By: paulw</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67265</link>
		<dc:creator>paulw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>talking of buttons.  How about a simple Copy and Paste ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>talking of buttons.  How about a simple Copy and Paste ??</p>
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		<title>By: Erkko</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67259</link>
		<dc:creator>Erkko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got me there mike! Firefox today, Safari tomorrow, maybe Opera the day after that. To be candid, I am really waiting for the 9.5 release to come forward so I can once again make a new decision about my main browser. Let's see how you guys perform but as a fellow scandinavian I trust that the delivery will be beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got me there mike! Firefox today, Safari tomorrow, maybe Opera the day after that. To be candid, I am really waiting for the 9.5 release to come forward so I can once again make a new decision about my main browser. Let&#8217;s see how you guys perform but as a fellow scandinavian I trust that the delivery will be beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/08/what-to-expect-with-opera-95-alpha.html#comment-67256</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We now appear to have plethora of Opera 9.50s' arriving.We also appear to have a single instance of Firefox,we know who you are Erkko.We will be checking all your future postings.Bet it's because of the spellchecker, am I right ? 
Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We now appear to have plethora of Opera 9.50s&#8217; arriving.We also appear to have a single instance of Firefox,we know who you are Erkko.We will be checking all your future postings.Bet it&#8217;s because of the spellchecker, am I right ?<br />
Mike.</p>
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