Thanks, but I agree, this is getting off topic so let’s stop here

Anyway, as a last comment, while my heart is mostly into making music now, I do lead the creation of a new music service called Ezmo, but it’s very beta still.

I added a post about it at my unused blog, so move any replies regarding it over there.

Trond

@Trond, i just knew you now (after search), unfortunately that’s too late, but i really want to say my “thank you” for the greatest UI i ever met, (and believe me i tried many programs using different toolkits over many DEs over some OSs) Opera’s UI is the most friendly customizable, advanced, lightweight UI i know, beside it is OS independent.
congratulation Trond, you perfectly did your job, if you turned back to software development i wish to hear your news

However, the desktop version didn’t aquire it from Opera Mini, since I designed it for both Mini and Desktop together, and that was part of the thinking behind it, that it should work as sweet as possible on all platforms and be easy to grasp.

It was one of the last thing I designed before leaving, but the desktop version took longer to implement so it came out later.

The last part of design is still missing though, the ability to sync between all those platforms, but I guess they’re working on it :).

Cheers,

Trond.

“Your top 9 Opera Mini bookmarks can be quickly accessed through CTRL+1 through CTRL+9.”
Daniel, too sade my phone doesn’t have “CTRL” key

Stop slagging off Firefox. Opera is slow to load, bloated and not very user friendly. the mobile edition is slow and annoying, it DOESN’T WORK!

nice note from ie user
but please, can you teach us from your valuable experience, (assumed Opera isn’t the fastest browser ever), if Opera is bloated what piece of software isn’t ? (excluding minesweeper).
which other mobile browser is faster, i didn’t tried it myself, but all whom i know think it is the fastest browser and most usable for mobiles, no offence, i am just curious about your opinion.
for mobile browsers try Opera mini, it can be installed on almost any phone (of course including yours which have opera mobile), it shrink the web (rather than the legacy wap) for you, so large pages would be trons formed to few kilo bytes before you got them.
check point 6 here

lots of usefull opera inventions were copied by firefox, but they werent just copied, they were copied and IMPROVED.

opera is good at creating stuff, but it is very bad at following trough.
tabbing? opera has its implementation, but aside from MDI/SDI fuss [that i dont care at all] firefox extensions like tab mix plus, bring tabbing to a whole new level. how many more years opera users are going to have unconfigurable middle-mouse-button? how long does it take to add an option ‘close tab and go to the right’? option that was requested probably in previous century, when dinosaurs were roaming the streets..

there are lots of similar stuff - download manager [lots of usefull extensions to fix it], webdevelopment tools [none in opera, dont point me to that sh.. at dev.opera.com], ad blocking [it works, but why it wasnt improved at all from the begining?], why there is no auto-fill? why email client is so completly underdeveloped? it was nice and innovative in 7.x era. now every free mail-agent outthere is more powerfull, not counting advanced webmails [that dont work with opera, another stuff to fix - either by a**licking webmail's developers or fixing operas bugs - because there are lots of them, no matter how standard compliant opera is]

so to sum it up - yes, firefox extension is now a mere rip-off, but i bet, that in month time it will surpas opera’ one in functionality, it is going to improve, while opera’ still be exactly the same in version 12.2 as it is now in 9.2.

and thats why opera is never going to beat firefox. it might has it all out of the box - but most of that stuff is prety outdated. extensions are always fresh.

btw., isn’t “Speed Dial” a trademark of Opera? So how can a Firefox extension use the same name? Not that I want the extensions’ name to be changed but the whole trademark thing wouldn’t make much sense otherwise, would it?

I have been wondering this myself, and posted as much here: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=195370

Well, if MS copies it too, you know what to do

milking the fat cow ?
IMHO, patenting ideas is the worst thing any company can do, think about if knife, wheel, glass are patented by their inventors, imagine your life if thinking is patented by the first man on earth (yes, just humans can patent, no other beeing is evel enough to control others).
another credit go to Opera, Opera always keep the competetion honest.

Debian change the browsers name just because couple of patches

actually, it is not because any pach.

The other is a rebranded build prepared by Debian in order to satisfy a demand from Mozilla that they either drop the Firefox name or comply with terms incompatible with Debian policies.

The original name “IceWeasel” was coined by Nathanael Nerode in 2004. Ice isn’t Fire and a Weasel isn’t a Fox, so it is clearly a different package (we don’t want Mozilla blamed for our mistakes, nor cause confusion with their trademarks), but is equally clearly intimately related (of course the vast bulk of the work comes from the Mozilla foundation efforts, so we want to give credit).

Any use of any Mozilla trademark must be in accordance with this policy. As used in this memo, “trademarks” means not just Mozilla’s logos, but also the names of its various products, as well as the names Mozilla and Mozilla.org.

For example, some KDE based software got the idea from Quicksilver/OS X (blacktree), shipped it adding couple of other functions usable for Linux users and author politely says “Idea is from Quicksilver/OS X”.

Open/Free or not, credits should be given for sake of politeness and ethics, not like Opera has army of lawyers like some other company nor they managed to make a complete legend like Debian change the browsers name just because couple of patches if you know what I mean.

Community really should learn to thank before developers do. For example, they “Hate” AOL. They could continue to hate of course but they should thank AOL about donating MILLIONS of dollars to Mozilla foundation and giving them their own developers for ages. Look to those massive bugs fixed by netscape.com e-mail having people (near all changed mails).

Speed dial is Opera innovation and Opera ASA should be acknowledged for it. RMS and friends didn’t start open source/free software philosophy for this attitude.

I’d say to Opera what I keep saying to Omni Group, they should protect their innovations by patenting them but that time, trolls would attack…

Well, if MS copies it too, you know what to do