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	<title>Comments on: Opera Mini vs. iPhone</title>
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		<title>By: illiad</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64933</link>
		<dc:creator>illiad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- and a Mac without software is about as useful as an engine without the rest of the car.... 

the good thing about apple is it is similar to a well-tuned, professionally built sportscar - all things properly balanced with each other.. 
- the problem is that Apple have not expanded their portfolio to the extent that most PC software has... the capability is there, but...
- this is what the ads seem to say.. 

As for the PC, the problem with the hardware is that it exists in 1000's of different forms, a patchwork of all kinds of interfaces to many media types, kinds of motherboards and CPUs, it is a wonder that it can all be got working together!! - I am sure apple will have 'fun' trying to get its software working where *none* of its strict standards apply... 

-it gets even worse with 'smartphones' , where most is a closely guarded secret, until some aggreement is reached..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- and a Mac without software is about as useful as an engine without the rest of the car&#8230;. </p>
<p>the good thing about apple is it is similar to a well-tuned, professionally built sportscar - all things properly balanced with each other..<br />
- the problem is that Apple have not expanded their portfolio to the extent that most PC software has&#8230; the capability is there, but&#8230;<br />
- this is what the ads seem to say.. </p>
<p>As for the PC, the problem with the hardware is that it exists in 1000&#8217;s of different forms, a patchwork of all kinds of interfaces to many media types, kinds of motherboards and CPUs, it is a wonder that it can all be got working together!! - I am sure apple will have &#8216;fun&#8217; trying to get its software working where *none* of its strict standards apply&#8230; </p>
<p>-it gets even worse with &#8217;smartphones&#8217; , where most is a closely guarded secret, until some aggreement is reached..</p>
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		<title>By: Herr_Steveness</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64887</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr_Steveness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t think comparing a phone and a piece of software makes too much sense….&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's exactly what Apple vs PC ads do: Hardware (Mac)  vs Software (Windows). But I guess it's right when Apple does it, huh?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t think comparing a phone and a piece of software makes too much sense….</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s exactly what Apple vs PC ads do: Hardware (Mac)  vs Software (Windows). But I guess it&#8217;s right when Apple does it, huh?.</p>
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		<title>By: illiad</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64885</link>
		<dc:creator>illiad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know the saying about expectations dont live up to reality?? still another 10 days to wait, isnt it??

of course peeps will buy it... just like all the other stuff that just 'does not seem to exist anymore' ... 

When 'iPhone 2' comes out, I bet it will have all 3 browsers loaded onto it, just like most PCs now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know the saying about expectations dont live up to reality?? still another 10 days to wait, isnt it??</p>
<p>of course peeps will buy it&#8230; just like all the other stuff that just &#8216;does not seem to exist anymore&#8217; &#8230; </p>
<p>When &#8216;iPhone 2&#8242; comes out, I bet it will have all 3 browsers loaded onto it, just like most PCs now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: illiad</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64884</link>
		<dc:creator>illiad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uzi Ben-Levy, wake up!!! opera has not had ads for *ages*...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uzi Ben-Levy, wake up!!! opera has not had ads for *ages*&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan DeVaney</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64854</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan DeVaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think comparing a phone and a piece of software makes too much sense....

Opera definitely needs to react to the release of the iPhone though and in a strong way. If alot of people adopt the iPhone then they will be using Safari and that means fewer new adopters to Opera mini and loss of users, since iPhone is a closed platform.

If I was Opera, I would count less on revenue coming from mini and more on other devices like the Wii that use the Opera engine.

Nothing Opera does will dissuade people from getting an iPhone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think comparing a phone and a piece of software makes too much sense&#8230;.</p>
<p>Opera definitely needs to react to the release of the iPhone though and in a strong way. If alot of people adopt the iPhone then they will be using Safari and that means fewer new adopters to Opera mini and loss of users, since iPhone is a closed platform.</p>
<p>If I was Opera, I would count less on revenue coming from mini and more on other devices like the Wii that use the Opera engine.</p>
<p>Nothing Opera does will dissuade people from getting an iPhone.</p>
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		<title>By: Madis</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64836</link>
		<dc:creator>Madis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think it was cool video, it does indeed show some enviousness.
iPhone will be better than ...+Opera Mini 4 100%, but it can boast with free price also. But the video is just a bit too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it was cool video, it does indeed show some enviousness.<br />
iPhone will be better than &#8230;+Opera Mini 4 100%, but it can boast with free price also. But the video is just a bit too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr_Steveness</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64803</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr_Steveness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Opera Mini is just a poor copy of the iPhone browser (the full page view/zoom). No ads will help.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If by poor you do mean &lt;b&gt;doesn't cost 500 bucks and it's not locked&lt;/b&gt;, yeah, you are right.

BTW, you know that the iPhone browser is not the first to implement this feature, right?...oh, wait, you are an Apple fan, nevermind; keep &lt;i&gt;enjoying yourself&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Opera Mini is just a poor copy of the iPhone browser (the full page view/zoom). No ads will help.</p></blockquote>
<p>If by poor you do mean <b>doesn&#8217;t cost 500 bucks and it&#8217;s not locked</b>, yeah, you are right.</p>
<p>BTW, you know that the iPhone browser is not the first to implement this feature, right?&#8230;oh, wait, you are an Apple fan, nevermind; keep <i>enjoying yourself</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Uzi Ben-Levy</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64793</link>
		<dc:creator>Uzi Ben-Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Opera Mini is just a poor copy of the iPhone browser (the full page view/zoom). No ads will help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Opera Mini is just a poor copy of the iPhone browser (the full page view/zoom). No ads will help.</p>
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		<title>By: James Cassell</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64749</link>
		<dc:creator>James Cassell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's pretty funny!

I didn't usually agree with the Get a Mac ads, but they were funny also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s pretty funny!</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t usually agree with the Get a Mac ads, but they were funny also.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64744</link>
		<dc:creator>Mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don't see any reason for Opera (a purely software/browser company) to engage in a marketing war with Apple iPhone.

Facts:
- I use Opera mini every day and it is great
- if the browser in the iPhone is really the whole Safari engine than it IS a real desktop browser which enables iPhone to use every plugins there is for Safari and to render every page the same way it does in the desktop
- Opera mini (despite being able to render almost everypage in a way or other) is not a full browser: no flash, no AJAX, etc.
- Opera mini runs in any J2ME phone
- Safari runs only on the iPhone

I don't think we should even compare Opera mini to Safari. It is just not comparable

This kind of official response (the video is hosted at the same page that presents Opera mini beta) uncovers some ... jealousy(?) on Opera's part. And I don't know why... Right now Opera mini's already has a bigger market share than Safari (and Firefox?) and since it is the best alternative for non-iPhone phones I don't think Opera should feel threaten for now... 

It is not like in two weeks the whole mobile market will turn to a 500+Eur mobile phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t see any reason for Opera (a purely software/browser company) to engage in a marketing war with Apple iPhone.</p>
<p>Facts:<br />
- I use Opera mini every day and it is great<br />
- if the browser in the iPhone is really the whole Safari engine than it IS a real desktop browser which enables iPhone to use every plugins there is for Safari and to render every page the same way it does in the desktop<br />
- Opera mini (despite being able to render almost everypage in a way or other) is not a full browser: no flash, no AJAX, etc.<br />
- Opera mini runs in any J2ME phone<br />
- Safari runs only on the iPhone</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we should even compare Opera mini to Safari. It is just not comparable</p>
<p>This kind of official response (the video is hosted at the same page that presents Opera mini beta) uncovers some &#8230; jealousy(?) on Opera&#8217;s part. And I don&#8217;t know why&#8230; Right now Opera mini&#8217;s already has a bigger market share than Safari (and Firefox?) and since it is the best alternative for non-iPhone phones I don&#8217;t think Opera should feel threaten for now&#8230; </p>
<p>It is not like in two weeks the whole mobile market will turn to a 500+Eur mobile phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Gleb Arestov</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64734</link>
		<dc:creator>Gleb Arestov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ou, can you write subtitle in englsih plzz))
(i know they speak english but i can't understand speach)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ou, can you write subtitle in englsih plzz))<br />
(i know they speak english but i can&#8217;t understand speach)</p>
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		<title>By: kftgr</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64733</link>
		<dc:creator>kftgr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how it subtly takes liberties just like the Mac ads.  "Macs don't get viruses" vs "It works on any phone."  At least the OM claim can be easily justified (andy &lt;i&gt;current&lt;/i&gt; phone)...hmm, even an iPhone? :)

Perhaps the OM vs Webkit tests should be done on an iPhone for more impact...although with the phone limited to g2 speeds it won't work so well for OM :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how it subtly takes liberties just like the Mac ads.  &#8220;Macs don&#8217;t get viruses&#8221; vs &#8220;It works on any phone.&#8221;  At least the OM claim can be easily justified (andy <i>current</i> phone)&#8230;hmm, even an iPhone? <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Perhaps the OM vs Webkit tests should be done on an iPhone for more impact&#8230;although with the phone limited to g2 speeds it won&#8217;t work so well for OM <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Cass</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64726</link>
		<dc:creator>Cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"Not much,just hanging out, enjoying myself."&lt;/i&gt; *looks to the camera with the tipical Apple fan attitude*


Priceless. Instant classic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Not much,just hanging out, enjoying myself.&#8221;</i> *looks to the camera with the tipical Apple fan attitude*</p>
<p>Priceless. Instant classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Free</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64712</link>
		<dc:creator>Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This video is so funny, I want second one :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This video is so funny, I want second one <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: GT500</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/opera-mini-vs-iphone.html#comment-64711</link>
		<dc:creator>GT500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a great video. I quite enjoyed it. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a great video. I quite enjoyed it. <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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