Comments on: Is Apple trying to fool the world? http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html A blog covering the latest buzz on the Opera browser and its competition. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:07:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Thomas http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64316 Thomas Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:33:33 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64316 At the WWDC he forgot about Opera again while telling that safari was the fastest browser in the world. He ran benchmarks by testing how fast several pages loadet in IE and Firefox. And when the two browsers was beaten he told that Safari was the fastest in the world by far. I think he forgot about Opera again... At the WWDC he forgot about Opera again while telling that safari was the fastest browser in the world. He ran benchmarks by testing how fast several pages loadet in IE and Firefox. And when the two browsers was beaten he told that Safari was the fastest in the world by far.

I think he forgot about Opera again…

]]> By: Nutter http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64132 Nutter Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:19:05 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64132 YouTube already <b>is</b> easily accessible from your couch using the Wii browser. It doesn't require a lot of work at all to reach YouTube. Navigating YouTube on Wii is almost exactly the same as using a computer. It even has a "mouse pointer". By the way, it's great to see that Opera is getting some publicity in Mac circles, even if it's just a satirical blog :D YouTube already is easily accessible from your couch using the Wii browser. It doesn’t require a lot of work at all to reach YouTube. Navigating YouTube on Wii is almost exactly the same as using a computer. It even has a “mouse pointer”.

By the way, it’s great to see that Opera is getting some publicity in Mac circles, even if it’s just a satirical blog :D

]]> By: Mark http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64131 Mark Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:17:51 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64131 As much as I like Opera, I find this Nintendo obsession they have a little disturbing.. The only real media/gaming devices are the PSP/PS3, and yes in a ideal world, both would benefit from Opera, they still vastly outclass anything else out there at present.. As much as I like Opera, I find this Nintendo obsession they have a little disturbing..

The only real media/gaming devices are the PSP/PS3, and yes in a ideal world, both would benefit from Opera, they still vastly outclass anything else out there at present..

]]> By: SuitCase http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64112 SuitCase Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:24:15 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64112 Uh, you guys are getting confused now. I was saying that the AppleTV's YouTube is the first time YouTube has been easily accessible from your couch. This is because the AppleTV menu system requires a lot less work than navigating to and around the Youtube website on a Wii. My argument about the iPhone being easy to use was different, and would warrant you reading the last paragraph of my last post if you forgot it. Don't mix the two up. Though there's not much reason to continue here. FSJ has made fun of this post twice, and so we have now moved beyond irrelevant. :( Uh, you guys are getting confused now.

I was saying that the AppleTV’s YouTube is the first time YouTube has been easily accessible from your couch. This is because the AppleTV menu system requires a lot less work than navigating to and around the Youtube website on a Wii.

My argument about the iPhone being easy to use was different, and would warrant you reading the last paragraph of my last post if you forgot it. Don’t mix the two up.

Though there’s not much reason to continue here. FSJ has made fun of this post twice, and so we have now moved beyond irrelevant. :(

]]> By: Jeremy http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64099 Jeremy Sat, 09 Jun 2007 21:20:01 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64099 You guys (the ones getting all worked up) do *know* that FSJ is *fake*... right?? Its a *parody*. FSJ takes the piss out of everyone, including RSJ... I like browsing the web using my Wii; but I don't think its particularly easy to use Youtube on it. It will be interesting to see if YouTube on AppleTV is any better. Right now, browsing movie trailers on AppleTV is fantastic - because it has a custom-designed interface. If AppleTV has a custom-designed interface for YouTube, then I respectfully suggest it will be a great user experience. But we will have to wait and see to find out. You guys (the ones getting all worked up) do *know* that FSJ is *fake*… right?? Its a *parody*. FSJ takes the piss out of everyone, including RSJ…

I like browsing the web using my Wii; but I don’t think its particularly easy to use Youtube on it. It will be interesting to see if YouTube on AppleTV is any better. Right now, browsing movie trailers on AppleTV is fantastic - because it has a custom-designed interface. If AppleTV has a custom-designed interface for YouTube, then I respectfully suggest it will be a great user experience. But we will have to wait and see to find out.

]]> By: comnut http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64090 comnut Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:29:31 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64090 well, the big reason so many are going loony over the iPhone, is ... - apple has a good reputation for getting the whole interface & hardware right. - It is the first phone to use *the whole front face* of the Phone as a combined touchscreen & colour display. - It will operate with the other apple stuff as well. (note the other big company missing from this????) Of course, the bad news is, this may be only half the truth or worse..... :( we shall just have to wait.... well, the big reason so many are going loony over the iPhone, is …

- apple has a good reputation for getting the whole interface & hardware right.

- It is the first phone to use *the whole front face* of the Phone as a combined touchscreen & colour display.

- It will operate with the other apple stuff as well.

(note the other big company missing from this????)

Of course, the bad news is, this may be only half the truth or worse….. :(

we shall just have to wait….

]]> By: Nutter http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64080 Nutter Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:36:29 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64080 If the Wii browser is limited, then so are all other mobile/devices browsers, including the iPhone browser, judging by the ads. It's the same thing.. scroll, zoom, scroll scroll scroll. A device/mobile phone is not a PC. Saying "the browser is very limited" and pretending that it doesn't apply to the iPhone browser is pure nonsense. If the Wii browser is limited, then so are all other mobile/devices browsers, including the iPhone browser, judging by the ads. It’s the same thing.. scroll, zoom, scroll scroll scroll.

A device/mobile phone is not a PC.

Saying “the browser is very limited” and pretending that it doesn’t apply to the iPhone browser is pure nonsense.

]]> By: comnut http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64072 comnut Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:24:38 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64072 so much £$%^%££%^&&...... "same engine used by the PC version of Opera" so, If I put a porche engine in my car, it will instantly become as maneuverable, as fantastic on the road, and all those great thing the porche has??? so much £$%^%££%^&&……

“same engine used by the PC version of Opera”

so, If I put a porche engine in my car, it will instantly become as maneuverable, as fantastic on the road, and all those great thing the porche has???

]]> By: Nutter http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64063 Nutter Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:25:01 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64063 SuitCase <blockquote>I don’t think anybody knows what version of flash the iPhone has</blockquote> Unless it's Mac OS X running on the exact same architecture as normal Macs it's Flash 7 because that's the latest version Adobe makes available for anything that is not a PC. <blockquote>The reason YouTube on the Wii cannot be considered easy is simply because of the process of entering the address, and scrolling, and dragging, and hyperlink-hunting, and zooming, etc etc.</blockquote> Funny you should mention that, because the iPhone ads show the EXACT same scrolling, dragging, hyperling hunting and zooming to get stuff done. And everyone knows that entering text on a phone can be a pain in the ass, until you get the hang of it. So basically you are arguing AGAINST the iPhone now :D That said, the Wii browser is very easy to use. Nintendo set out to make it that way. And they KNOW how to cater to the needs of the masses rather than the geeks. SuitCase

I don’t think anybody knows what version of flash the iPhone has

Unless it’s Mac OS X running on the exact same architecture as normal Macs it’s Flash 7 because that’s the latest version Adobe makes available for anything that is not a PC.

The reason YouTube on the Wii cannot be considered easy is simply because of the process of entering the address, and scrolling, and dragging, and hyperlink-hunting, and zooming, etc etc.

Funny you should mention that, because the iPhone ads show the EXACT same scrolling, dragging, hyperling hunting and zooming to get stuff done.

And everyone knows that entering text on a phone can be a pain in the ***, until you get the hang of it.

So basically you are arguing AGAINST the iPhone now :D

That said, the Wii browser is very easy to use. Nintendo set out to make it that way. And they KNOW how to cater to the needs of the masses rather than the geeks.

]]> By: Freerun http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64039 Freerun Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:01:54 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64039 <i>where on earth are you getting that from? Seems like you’re spouting a random stereotype with no bearing on the story or the comments it got.</i> Let's see: -"Who uses Opera? Nobody (of importance). Who uses Wii? Nimrods with an IQ of 12 years old." -"the first to allow normal, non-loser people to do these things" And then we have your comment which is basically: "but...but this is Apple so everything would be <i>i</i>Easy, therefore Jobs is right." Yeah, we know, all options available today are very complicated so they don't count for Apple fans, the only one that counts is the holy grail that Jobs presents to the cult followers. We have heard the story many times before and we will hear it again when Leopard comes out: virtual desktops (as someone pointed out above) and so on; just rename it to some iWhatever shite and claim you are innovating because, hey, this is <i>i</i>Easy. where on earth are you getting that from? Seems like you’re spouting a random stereotype with no bearing on the story or the comments it got.

Let’s see:

-”Who uses Opera? Nobody (of importance). Who uses Wii? Nimrods with an IQ of 12 years old.”

-”the first to allow normal, non-loser people to do these things”

And then we have your comment which is basically: “but…but this is Apple so everything would be iEasy, therefore Jobs is right.”

Yeah, we know, all options available today are very complicated so they don’t count for Apple fans, the only one that counts is the holy grail that Jobs presents to the cult followers.

We have heard the story many times before and we will hear it again when Leopard comes out: virtual desktops (as someone pointed out above) and so on; just rename it to some iWhatever shite and claim you are innovating because, hey, this is iEasy.

]]> By: Lukas http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64036 Lukas Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:23:06 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64036 From what I heard, Youtube on the Apple TV won't just be some kind of browser - supposedly, Youtube is actually converting all of the original material to H.264 in order to provide higher quality! I don't know if it's true or not, but that would make a huge difference - "Youtube HD" would be a huge reason to get an Apple TV! From what I heard, Youtube on the Apple TV won’t just be some kind of browser - supposedly, Youtube is actually converting all of the original material to H.264 in order to provide higher quality!
I don’t know if it’s true or not, but that would make a huge difference - “Youtube HD” would be a huge reason to get an Apple TV!

]]> By: BtEO http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64024 BtEO Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:13:31 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64024 <blockquote>Posted by Daniel Goldman using Opera 9.50 on Windows XP</blockquote>Damn you Dan!!! :P

Posted by Daniel Goldman using Opera 9.50 on Windows XP

Damn you Dan!!!

:P

]]> By: SuitCase http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64023 SuitCase Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:11:18 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64023 Nutter - er.. I don't think anybody knows what version of flash the iPhone has, but that's not the point I made. The reason YouTube on the Wii cannot be considered easy is simply because of the process of entering the address, and scrolling, and dragging, and hyperlink-hunting, and zooming, etc etc. It takes a lot more effort and concentration than the average media playback device, and for that reason it's quite understandable that Steve Jobs has decided his integrated Youtube support is the first time it has actually been easy to access from your couch. Freerun - where on earth are you getting that from? Seems like you're spouting a random stereotype with no bearing on the story or the comments it got. Nutter - er.. I don’t think anybody knows what version of flash the iPhone has, but that’s not the point I made. The reason YouTube on the Wii cannot be considered easy is simply because of the process of entering the address, and scrolling, and dragging, and hyperlink-hunting, and zooming, etc etc. It takes a lot more effort and concentration than the average media playback device, and for that reason it’s quite understandable that Steve Jobs has decided his integrated Youtube support is the first time it has actually been easy to access from your couch.

Freerun - where on earth are you getting that from? Seems like you’re spouting a random stereotype with no bearing on the story or the comments it got.

]]> By: Freerun http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64018 Freerun Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:49:55 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64018 Yet another example of why Apple fans have the worst reputation on the internet by far. No one dares, ever, to criticize his holiness S.Jobs; keep that in mind boys and girls, otherwise you all will suffer the worst torture a human being can suffer: an Apple fan. God forbid. Yet another example of why Apple fans have the worst reputation on the internet by far.

No one dares, ever, to criticize his holiness S.Jobs; keep that in mind boys and girls, otherwise you all will suffer the worst torture a human being can suffer: an Apple fan. God forbid.

]]> By: Nutter http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64017 Nutter Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:49:23 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/06/is-apple-trying-to-fool-the-world.html#comment-64017 Who did Opera insult, Shamurai? Is it an insult to point it out when someone is wrong? Same goes for "Free". Who called anyone stupid? Only YOU have used that word so far. @SuitCase <blockquote>The thing about the web in your pocket is a bit more subjective, but I think the main push is that it’s the first time the web in your pocket hasn’t been limited or sucky.</blockquote> Sorry, but the iPhone will still be limited to Flash 7. I don't get what you think is so difficult about YouTube on the Wii, though. Who did Opera insult, Shamurai? Is it an insult to point it out when someone is wrong?

Same goes for “Free”. Who called anyone stupid? Only YOU have used that word so far.

@SuitCase

The thing about the web in your pocket is a bit more subjective, but I think the main push is that it’s the first time the web in your pocket hasn’t been limited or sucky.

Sorry, but the iPhone will still be limited to Flash 7.

I don’t get what you think is so difficult about YouTube on the Wii, though.

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