Comments on: Do you use the Start bar in the desktop browser? http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html A blog covering the latest buzz on the Opera browser and its competition. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:02:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Get It Opera 9.20 Build 8746 with Options http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-47503 Get It Opera 9.20 Build 8746 with Options Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:30:57 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-47503 It now all History as the lastest Beta have answers for the Speedial and startbar. Changelog Upgrading will now attempt to merge the default searches with your own. Look out for bugs! Make a backup! - Put startbar back into the configuration - disabled by default - Speed dial now doesn't load entries every time - Added "reload every" to speed dial items - Disabled plugins completely in speed dial - Improved keyboard navigation in speed dial - menu keys now bring up the correct context menu, delete removes current entry - Added opera:config option to configure speed dial . Has four modes: 0 = Folded, 1 = Shown, 2 = No editing allowed, 3 = Disabled - New help tooltip in speed dial - A bunch of other speed dial fixes - Fixed bug where Opera wouldn't exit after visiting Yahoo! games - Saving big images should now work better - Skandiabanken.no's message about successful certificate installation is now shown It now all History as the lastest Beta have answers for the Speedial and startbar.

Changelog
Upgrading will now attempt to merge the default searches with your own. Look out for bugs! Make a backup!
- Put startbar back into the configuration - disabled by default
- Speed dial now doesn’t load entries every time
- Added “reload every” to speed dial items
- Disabled plugins completely in speed dial
- Improved keyboard navigation in speed dial - menu keys now bring up the correct context menu, delete removes current entry
- Added opera:config option to configure speed dial . Has four modes: 0 = Folded, 1 = Shown, 2 = No editing allowed, 3 = Disabled
- New help tooltip in speed dial
- A bunch of other speed dial fixes
- Fixed bug where Opera wouldn’t exit after visiting Yahoo! games
- Saving big images should now work better
- Skandiabanken.no’s message about successful certificate installation is now shown

]]> By: jman http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-46235 jman Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:44:24 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-46235 Please, bring back the start bar ... at least as an option. Please, bring back the start bar … at least as an option.

]]> By: Kc4 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-45433 Kc4 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:08:03 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-45433 <blockquote>Hang on this DID remove it ********!</blockquote> Hang on, sinc when is the term I posted <i>that</i> bad?

Hang on this DID remove it ********!

Hang on, sinc when is the term I posted that bad?

]]> By: Emil http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-45355 Emil Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:55:13 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-45355 I like the start bar very much, i don't want to give it up, but the new speed dial ideea is nice too. They could leave both features in, after all, the StartBar is usefull even when you're already on a webpage (not just when opening a new webpage). This is my 2 cents :-) I like the start bar very much, i don’t want to give it up, but the new speed dial ideea is nice too.
They could leave both features in, after all, the StartBar is usefull even when you’re already on a webpage (not just when opening a new webpage).

This is my 2 cents :-)

]]> By: kftgr http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-45225 kftgr Tue, 13 Mar 2007 02:46:02 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-45225 The trend I detect is that no one uses the vanilla Start Bar. Those that like it use a lot of customizations. Could the problem be that the default Start Bar configuration? With the Start Bar being more of a Power User feature, it should be disabled by default. I'm of the minimalist camp and have only two toolbars showing in the UI (both at bottom): tab bar status bar Navigation and display are primarily done through mouse gestures, right-click pops, and/or keyboard shortcuts. Kudos to Opera for making so much available to the shortcuts. The status bar becomes a real <b>status</b> bar with at-a-glance things: fit-to-width cached/show/no image button author/user mode button enable/disable plugins button Status Field Address Field + Go "Identify As" clickable text The tab bar has an added Zoom field. The Start Bar is separated into three rows with the Wrapper; each row divided into left and right portions using the Dynamic Spacer. I actually only use the first 2 rows, with the third being navigation buttons for my wife in case she has to use Opera real quick. The trend I detect is that no one uses the vanilla Start Bar. Those that like it use a lot of customizations. Could the problem be that the default Start Bar configuration?

With the Start Bar being more of a Power User feature, it should be disabled by default.

I’m of the minimalist camp and have only two toolbars showing in the UI (both at bottom):
tab bar
status bar

Navigation and display are primarily done through mouse gestures, right-click pops, and/or keyboard shortcuts. Kudos to Opera for making so much available to the shortcuts.

The status bar becomes a real status bar with at-a-glance things:
fit-to-width
cached/show/no image button
author/user mode button
enable/disable plugins button
Status Field
Address Field + Go
“Identify As” clickable text

The tab bar has an added Zoom field.

The Start Bar is separated into three rows with the Wrapper; each row divided into left and right portions using the Dynamic Spacer. I actually only use the first 2 rows, with the third being navigation buttons for my wife in case she has to use Opera real quick.

]]> By: harpazo http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-44492 harpazo Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:52:52 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-44492 Never use it. Really gave it a shot for a month after it was first added. Tried to like it. Wanted to like it. No dice. Personal bar holds my top dozen sites and address bar handles URLs and searches [who needs a separate search field? Opera spoils us :-)]. Even so, I agree 100% that the Start Menu should not be removed completely. Disabled by default would be fine (first thing I do is shut it off on a new install), but the Opera way has always been about OPTIONS. If you want it, it's there. Never use it. Really gave it a shot for a month after it was first added. Tried to like it. Wanted to like it. No dice.

Personal bar holds my top dozen sites and address bar handles URLs and searches [who needs a separate search field? Opera spoils us :-)].

Even so, I agree 100% that the Start Menu should not be removed completely. Disabled by default would be fine (first thing I do is shut it off on a new install), but the Opera way has always been about OPTIONS. If you want it, it’s there.

]]> By: Kc4 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-44225 Kc4 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 05:23:44 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-44225 Hang on let me check..... Hang on this DID remove it BASTERDS! Not that I ever used it but still... Hang on let me check…..

Hang on this DID remove it ********!

Not that I ever used it but still…

]]> By: WolvenSpectre http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-44171 WolvenSpectre Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:14:07 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-44171 I use it regularly, and though there is room for improvement, I think it is great. The personal bar gets fairly full if you put all of your most used links there, and sometimes I just like to turn mine off for the real estate to see more web page (same reason I keep my main bar off). The links I have to have handy, plus the top ten button, are in my start bar. I don't use home much since searches have been integrated into the address bar. I use it regularly, and though there is room for improvement, I think it is great. The personal bar gets fairly full if you put all of your most used links there, and sometimes I just like to turn mine off for the real estate to see more web page (same reason I keep my main bar off).

The links I have to have handy, plus the top ten button, are in my start bar. I don’t use home much since searches have been integrated into the address bar.

]]> By: anpan http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-44025 anpan Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:55:26 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-44025 I <b>DO use Start Bar</b>. My choice for it is Top 10, Bookmarks and a couple of routinely accessed sites. I prefer to hide Menu and Personal bar. I agree, Start Bar is not the cutest thing visually, but it's much more flexible comparing to Speed Dial. And i'd rather not load 9 pages every time i open new tab. Please, bring Start Bar back! I DO use Start Bar. My choice for it is Top 10, Bookmarks and a couple of routinely accessed sites. I prefer to hide Menu and Personal bar.

I agree, Start Bar is not the cutest thing visually, but it’s much more flexible comparing to Speed Dial. And i’d rather not load 9 pages every time i open new tab.

Please, bring Start Bar back!

]]> By: Philip Storry http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-44016 Philip Storry Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:28:12 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-44016 I like it. It works well. And I do use it - if I'm using the mouse, then it's usually just those few pixels nearer - and therefore more convenient - to go to the bookmarks on the Start bar than it is to go to the actual bookmarks menu. I also don't think it's clutter. It's one of the most impressive parts of UI design Opera have come up with - it appears only momentarily, and only when you're doing something related to its purpose (typing/selecting a URL). It is, I think, elegant and worthwhile. And if you turn it off by default, I'll probably turn it on as the first thing I do with a new Opera install. I like it. It works well. And I do use it - if I’m using the mouse, then it’s usually just those few pixels nearer - and therefore more convenient - to go to the bookmarks on the Start bar than it is to go to the actual bookmarks menu.

I also don’t think it’s clutter. It’s one of the most impressive parts of UI design Opera have come up with - it appears only momentarily, and only when you’re doing something related to its purpose (typing/selecting a URL). It is, I think, elegant and worthwhile. And if you turn it off by default, I’ll probably turn it on as the first thing I do with a new Opera install.

]]> By: devloop http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-43990 devloop Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:43:40 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-43990 I never used the start bar and I don't think I will use it... I'd prefer to see the "home page" bouton on the adress bar I never used the start bar and I don’t think I will use it…
I’d prefer to see the “home page” bouton on the adress bar

]]> By: Michael http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-43885 Michael Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:31:19 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-43885 Oh yes, I use the start bar. There I have the bookmarks, Show/hide pictures, Search bars and Zoom. Oh yes, I use the start bar. There I have the bookmarks, Show/hide pictures, Search bars and Zoom.

]]> By: Darken http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-43872 Darken Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:54:53 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-43872 <blockquote cite="">What do you think about it?</blockquote> Bad move! <blockquote cite="">Do you use the Startbar?</blockquote> Always! <blockquote cite="">Should it be disabled by default?</blockquote> I don't know...

What do you think about it?

Bad move!

Do you use the Startbar?

Always!

Should it be disabled by default?

I don’t know…

]]> By: Michael Johnson http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-43839 Michael Johnson Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:32:32 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-43839 I don't use the startbar. But I have a moderately customized layout (and slightly different on each machine I use :( ). I use search shortcuts and bookmark nicknames. But I'm very much a command line junkie, so it's more natural for me. But as several have said, repeatedly, I don't think Opera should remove features, even those I don't use, but I'm sure there's someone else who does use it. I know I would be upset if my favorite feature (can't put my finger on it right now... too many) was removed. I don’t use the startbar. But I have a moderately customized layout (and slightly different on each machine I use :( ). I use search shortcuts and bookmark nicknames. But I’m very much a command line junkie, so it’s more natural for me.

But as several have said, repeatedly, I don’t think Opera should remove features, even those I don’t use, but I’m sure there’s someone else who does use it. I know I would be upset if my favorite feature (can’t put my finger on it right now… too many) was removed.

]]> By: Jadd http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-43836 Jadd Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:24:58 +0000 http://operawatch.com/news/2007/03/do-you-use-the-start-bar-in-the-desktop-browser.html#comment-43836 Never use it. Helped one of my friends remove it. Practically the only customization he did to his Opera. Never use it. Helped one of my friends remove it. Practically the only customization he did to his Opera.

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