Comments on: Walmart didn’t test their new video download website in Firefox – how ignorant can their developers be?

By: Andrew

Andrew — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:29:31 +0000

Nope. It like Firefox attempts to meet certain W3C standards but they surely implement things without it being “standards-based”. Attempts and being standards compliant are two different things. No browser is “standards-based”.

By: Kelson

Kelson — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:16:00 +0000

So, Andrew, you’re saying Opera isn’t a standards-based browser, either?

By: Andrew

Andrew — Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:19:22 +0000

I don’t see the logic that equates “X is standards-based” with “X fully supports 100% of every standard.” As for creative interpretation, I suppose you’ve forgotten claiming that IE supports XHTML better than Gecko.

Of course you wouldn't. WTF does "standards-based" mean? They only do something if it supports a standard? Really then why does it not fully support W3C Standards? Your comments are incredibly misleading, especially coming from a Linux user. That statement implies Firefox full supports standards. It doesn't, not even close. It doesn't make any sense outside of misleading people. Yes please don't go to www.FirefoxMyths.com unless you are afraid of the truth and facts. Any true Opera fan would not link to smear sites about FirefoxMyths or make the ridiculous accusations that you do. They would read the site and the sources and make up their own minds. I am begining to wonder the true motives behind this site and it is becomming all the more clear.

By: Christopher Davis

Christopher Davis — Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:05:38 +0000

A quick validation check reveals 256 errors on the page (After I spoof my user agent) — to those who hate Firefox and say it does not comply… I say it does pretty good at trying to make sense of malformed code written for IE only.
Wal-Mart: get a clue!

maybe these people are also to blame:
http://www.omniture.com

(for the poorly written code)

By: Kelson

Kelson — Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:31:21 +0000

Now there's irony. The author of the Firefox Myths website is complaining about false and misleading statements. I don't see the logic that equates "X is standards-based" with "X fully supports 100% of every standard." As for creative interpretation, I suppose you've forgotten claiming that IE supports XHTML better than Gecko. I understand we're all Opera fans here, but that doesn't have to mean believing only negative claims about Firefox. Anyone reading that site should keep dihydrogen monoxide warnings in mind, and take its statements with a grain of salt.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:01:18 +0000

If you think Firefox isn’t a standards-based browser, you haven’t been paying attention

Sorry but this statement is false and misleading implying Firefox fully supports standards. Ridiculous misleading statements like this can be used for any browser this way.

You yourself link to the same statistics I linked to, though as I recall you made some “creative” interpretations of them when you first launched your site.

Creative as in posting exact figures off the site? Ooops the figures on that site have changed so much in the last year who knows what they used to say.

By: sc

sc — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:35:20 +0000

Actually, the number must be higher if they exclude everyone who’s not in the US, but that’s not what I meant. :p

By: sc

sc — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:34:09 +0000

I thought this service was only offered in the USA, in which case the number of potential users they’re telling “no” to is much smaller than 100 million mentioned in the post.

By: Daniel Goldman

Daniel Goldman — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:38:00 +0000

Klokan, the problem isn’t with their homepage, it’s with the video download site.

By: Klokan

Klokan — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:15:47 +0000

Visiting http://www.walmart.com/ with Opera (Merlin) and with K-meleon (Gecko) all seems to be OK here.

BTW: If some pages can´t be displayed correctly in Firefox this can be the point for switch to any better browser! The very same argument was presented widely by hardcore Firefox fans in the past for switch from Opera to their opensource ****…

I think You should not waste your time fighting for Firefox. Don´t care about Firefox as they (FF users) don´t care about Opera. We should write our pages to be standard compliant and test it with Opera …and IE

By: Website developers

Website developers — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:02:45 +0000

The question is what would it have taken to make walmart’s offering compliant with all the 3 browsers namely IE, firefox and opera ?

Would it have taken a lot of work ?

By: Kelson

Kelson — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:24:24 +0000

@Andrew: Stop putting words in people’s mouths. No one here said Firefox “fully supported” standards, only that it does a good job with standards, comparable to Opera. You yourself link to the same statistics I linked to, though as I recall you made some “creative” interpretations of them when you first launched your site.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:54:36 +0000

“If you’re smart enough to be using firefox instead of IE I’m guessing you’re smart enough not to shop at Walmart.”

Comments like these make me wonder how “Smart” fanboys really are.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:52:40 +0000

Stop spreading lies. Firefox does not fully support standards, not even close. The Acid2 test clearly ONLY tests standards, therefore if Firefox fails it, Firefox clearly does not support the standards the test tests. Get the facts and stop whinning. Firefox doesn't work with many pages: www.FirefoxMyths.com

By: Kelson

Kelson — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:05:46 +0000

@Stahn:

And since when Firefox is a Web Standards browser? Opera is the one that passes the Acid2 test, you know.

Since when is Acid2 a standards-compliance test? From the test description:

Acid2 tests features that web designers have been requesting. Everything that Acid2 tests is specified in a Web standard, but not all Web standards are tested. Acid2 does not guarantee conformance with any specification. (emphasis added)

Acid2 tests the corners. It's possible to get the corners, but miss a few spots in the middle. And no browser has reached 100% yet. Firefox has quite good support for standards, because that was a design goal when Mozilla began working on the Gecko rendering engine nearly a decade ago. Additionally, Mozilla's developer resources recommend using standards-based techniques rather than relying on proprietary features. This standards support summary shows Firefox 2 and Opera 9 both well ahead of IE7 and IE6 in standards support, with Opera being ahead in some areas and Firefox in others. If you think Firefox isn't a standards-based browser, you haven't been paying attention.