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	<title>Comments on: Opera&#8217;s new fraud protection to be off by default</title>
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		<title>By: goohf</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-18460</link>
		<dc:creator>goohf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I can say a word or three, I would just say focus on real features, not stuff that slows the browser down or makes it an &quot;IE/Firefox-clone-checkbox-feature&quot; browser. Or compromises user privacy.

Anti-phishing is nothing but Opera trying to match &quot;the other two&quot; browsers. The people that fall for anti-phishing scams are very very few. Not enough to justify it as a feature. 

Unless Opera can magically &lt;strong&gt;prevent&lt;/strong&gt; spyware/ adware / malware from being installed on a user&#039;s system, just leave it alone - because that, by far, is the biggest problem nowadays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I can say a word or three, I would just say focus on real features, not stuff that slows the browser down or makes it an &#8220;IE/Firefox-clone-checkbox-feature&#8221; browser. Or compromises user privacy.</p>
<p>Anti-phishing is nothing but Opera trying to match &#8220;the other two&#8221; browsers. The people that fall for anti-phishing scams are very very few. Not enough to justify it as a feature. </p>
<p>Unless Opera can magically <strong>prevent</strong> spyware/ adware / malware from being installed on a user&#8217;s system, just leave it alone &#8211; because that, by far, is the biggest problem nowadays.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-18242</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m torn on this.

On one hand, I&#039;m glad it&#039;s off by default because of the way it&#039;s implemented: sending a query to a third party for each and every site you visit.  That&#039;s a privacy risk, and any features that risk privacy should ideally be opt-in.  I&#039;ve turned anti-phishing off in IE7, and I&#039;ve stuck with the local-only check in Firefox 2, and I&#039;d definitely turn it off in Opera 9.1 if Opera sticks with this method.

On the other hand, I think that fraud protection of some sort should be offered by default, for the same reason many people here have brought up:  The people who can make the best use of it aren&#039;t going to look for the setting.

Maybe the first time you run Opera 9.1 after upgrade/install, it should ask whether you want it on or not?  Kind of like how it used to ask you to choose between single-window and multiple-window modes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m torn on this.</p>
<p>On one hand, I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s off by default because of the way it&#8217;s implemented: sending a query to a third party for each and every site you visit.  That&#8217;s a privacy risk, and any features that risk privacy should ideally be opt-in.  I&#8217;ve turned anti-phishing off in IE7, and I&#8217;ve stuck with the local-only check in Firefox 2, and I&#8217;d definitely turn it off in Opera 9.1 if Opera sticks with this method.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I think that fraud protection of some sort should be offered by default, for the same reason many people here have brought up:  The people who can make the best use of it aren&#8217;t going to look for the setting.</p>
<p>Maybe the first time you run Opera 9.1 after upgrade/install, it should ask whether you want it on or not?  Kind of like how it used to ask you to choose between single-window and multiple-window modes?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-18101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I would have thought a better approach would be to have it switched on by default, but notify the user what is happening the first time (or first few times) it swings into action. Or, on installation of the upgrade, immediately give the user a prompt asking if they want to switch off fraud protection. Give the user a link to more info so they can learn what to look for.

Disabling by default puts the the greatest risk on the most vulnerable users: those who don&#039;t really understand what&#039;s going on.

Just my $0.02...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I would have thought a better approach would be to have it switched on by default, but notify the user what is happening the first time (or first few times) it swings into action. Or, on installation of the upgrade, immediately give the user a prompt asking if they want to switch off fraud protection. Give the user a link to more info so they can learn what to look for.</p>
<p>Disabling by default puts the the greatest risk on the most vulnerable users: those who don&#8217;t really understand what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>Just my $0.02&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hmm</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-18028</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the end of the world. It&#039;s not like it can&#039;t be enabled by default in a later version :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the end of the world. It&#8217;s not like it can&#8217;t be enabled by default in a later version <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Awaiting_Moderation</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17997</link>
		<dc:creator>Awaiting_Moderation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I give up.&lt;/i&gt;

Very convincing...

Seems to me that you haven&#039;t seen how it really works and that&#039;s why you are so confused (and given the above comment also frustrated). :)

&lt;i&gt;I’m with David here. How many “average Joe”s dive into Opera advanced preferences. Even though I’m not using it, I would have preferred to be asked the first time I run Opera.&lt;/i&gt;

Fraud protection can be controlled from the address field icon (perform a manual check or enable the automatic check), no need to use advanced preferences. It&#039;s pretty obvious that the feature is there and it would be the main selling point of the next release: average joe will know about the feature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I give up.</i></p>
<p>Very convincing&#8230;</p>
<p>Seems to me that you haven&#8217;t seen how it really works and that&#8217;s why you are so confused (and given the above comment also frustrated). <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>I’m with David here. How many “average Joe”s dive into Opera advanced preferences. Even though I’m not using it, I would have preferred to be asked the first time I run Opera.</i></p>
<p>Fraud protection can be controlled from the address field icon (perform a manual check or enable the automatic check), no need to use advanced preferences. It&#8217;s pretty obvious that the feature is there and it would be the main selling point of the next release: average joe will know about the feature.</p>
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		<title>By: Federico</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17967</link>
		<dc:creator>Federico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with David here. How many &quot;average Joe&quot;s dive into Opera advanced preferences. Even though I&#039;m not using it, I would have preferred to be asked the first time I run Opera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with David here. How many &#8220;average Joe&#8221;s dive into Opera advanced preferences. Even though I&#8217;m not using it, I would have preferred to be asked the first time I run Opera.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonnysparks</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17930</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonnysparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one of the latest weekly releases, they announced it would be left off by default in Opera 9.10 Final. I didn&#039;t realise that there&#039;s a &quot;?&quot; in your address bar when it&#039;s turned off (nor that you could manually check). That&#039;s good, except your relying that people will notice the &quot;?&quot; and have the curiosity to click it, which some people won&#039;t. Alot of average joe people won&#039;t care about a new feature, or even acknowledge it exists until they see the benefit of using it. If that feature is turned off by default, then they won&#039;t ever find about it and hence won&#039;t be able to adjust to it. I&#039;m assuming this is what David Naylor was talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one of the latest weekly releases, they announced it would be left off by default in Opera 9.10 Final. I didn&#8217;t realise that there&#8217;s a &#8220;?&#8221; in your address bar when it&#8217;s turned off (nor that you could manually check). That&#8217;s good, except your relying that people will notice the &#8220;?&#8221; and have the curiosity to click it, which some people won&#8217;t. Alot of average joe people won&#8217;t care about a new feature, or even acknowledge it exists until they see the benefit of using it. If that feature is turned off by default, then they won&#8217;t ever find about it and hence won&#8217;t be able to adjust to it. I&#8217;m assuming this is what David Naylor was talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: David Naylor</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17901</link>
		<dc:creator>David Naylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give up.</p>
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		<title>By: Awaiting_Moderation</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17867</link>
		<dc:creator>Awaiting_Moderation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen any Opera guy (neither Daniel himself) saying that the feature would be turned on by default on future releases; they will just consider it once they get enough feedback from average users (this probably includes privacy concerns).

&lt;i&gt;Those who do turn it on manually will get used to it, but it won’t make any difference to them guys if Opera actually does make it default to “on” in Opera X.

Those who don’t turn it on (Joe, for instance) won’t “get used to it”, and will be just as “surprised” by the feature in version 10.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not like the feature is hidden from the user and you can perform manual checks when needed so chances are most average joes would play with the feature (or at least know about it and how it works) even if he doesn&#039;t turn the automatic check on. This is how an average user can get used to a feature (especially when the feature can arise privacy concerns so the user needs to &quot;trust&quot; it before he can use it on a permanent basis) so why exactly isn&#039;t this logical?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any Opera guy (neither Daniel himself) saying that the feature would be turned on by default on future releases; they will just consider it once they get enough feedback from average users (this probably includes privacy concerns).</p>
<p><i>Those who do turn it on manually will get used to it, but it won’t make any difference to them guys if Opera actually does make it default to “on” in Opera X.</p>
<p>Those who don’t turn it on (Joe, for instance) won’t “get used to it”, and will be just as “surprised” by the feature in version 10.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like the feature is hidden from the user and you can perform manual checks when needed so chances are most average joes would play with the feature (or at least know about it and how it works) even if he doesn&#8217;t turn the automatic check on. This is how an average user can get used to a feature (especially when the feature can arise privacy concerns so the user needs to &#8220;trust&#8221; it before he can use it on a permanent basis) so why exactly isn&#8217;t this logical?.</p>
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		<title>By: pee#</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17849</link>
		<dc:creator>pee#</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Rhonnysparks&quot;&gt;The idea of the average joe having to turn on this feature seems ironic: if he’s savvy enough to turn it on, then he probably doesn’t need it in the first place&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I totally agree with Rhonnysparks.
Remember that Opera needs to gain market share and it&#039;s better to immediately show new features to new users, if these features are good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="Rhonnysparks"><p>The idea of the average joe having to turn on this feature seems ironic: if he’s savvy enough to turn it on, then he probably doesn’t need it in the first place</p></blockquote>
<p>I totally agree with Rhonnysparks.<br />
Remember that Opera needs to gain market share and it&#8217;s better to immediately show new features to new users, if these features are good.</p>
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		<title>By: David Naylor</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17821</link>
		<dc:creator>David Naylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess what Daniel Goldman really intended to say was something like &quot;We need some user feedback on the feature first, so for now we’ve made it an opt-in feature.&quot;

Which I think is great. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess what Daniel Goldman really intended to say was something like &#8220;We need some user feedback on the feature first, so for now we’ve made it an opt-in feature.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which I think is great. <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Naylor</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17820</link>
		<dc:creator>David Naylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t intend for this to be a Moz vs Opera thread, so everyone just take a deep breath and try to understand what I meant by my first post.

&quot;the idea of the fraud protection is to prevent the average joe from being tricked by a fraud website.&quot;

You hit the nail on the head. This is sort-of what I was trying to get at.

The non-logic of the original argument is here:
&quot;We think they need some time getting used to it, so for now we’ve made it an opt-in feature.&quot;

Those who do turn it on manually will get used to it, but it won&#039;t make any difference to them guys if Opera actually does make it default to &quot;on&quot; in Opera X.

Those who don&#039;t turn it on (Joe, for instance) won&#039;t &quot;get used to it&quot;, and will be just as &quot;surprised&quot; by the feature in version 10.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t intend for this to be a Moz vs Opera thread, so everyone just take a deep breath and try to understand what I meant by my first post.</p>
<p>&#8220;the idea of the fraud protection is to prevent the average joe from being tricked by a fraud website.&#8221;</p>
<p>You hit the nail on the head. This is sort-of what I was trying to get at.</p>
<p>The non-logic of the original argument is here:<br />
&#8220;We think they need some time getting used to it, so for now we’ve made it an opt-in feature.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those who do turn it on manually will get used to it, but it won&#8217;t make any difference to them guys if Opera actually does make it default to &#8220;on&#8221; in Opera X.</p>
<p>Those who don&#8217;t turn it on (Joe, for instance) won&#8217;t &#8220;get used to it&#8221;, and will be just as &#8220;surprised&#8221; by the feature in version 10.</p>
<p> <img src='http://operawatch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Ø</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17810</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Ø</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the future have two modes when it comes to how it operate like IE and Fx? Will be interesting to see how it performs. I&#039;ll cross my fingers for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the future have two modes when it comes to how it operate like IE and Fx? Will be interesting to see how it performs. I&#8217;ll cross my fingers for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonnysparks</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17766</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonnysparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 03:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I understand why they&#039;re turning it off by default (new feature also privacy concerns), it is a bit paradoxical; the idea of the fraud protection is to prevent the average joe from being tricked by a fraud website. The idea of the average joe having to turn on this feature seems ironic: if he&#039;s savvy enough to turn it on, then he probably doesn&#039;t need it in the first place. It&#039;s more for the average joe&#039;s who don&#039;t know how to turn it on who really need this feature. I think if they&#039;re leaving it off by default, then there should be a prompt dialog allowing you to turn it on when you first use Opera, much like with mouse gestures. Something like: &quot;This website could be a fraudulent site, would you like to turn on Fraud protection? [Yes] [No] [] Don&#039;t remind me about this feature&quot;, would be ensure that the average joe would still be able to easily turn the feature on.

Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I understand why they&#8217;re turning it off by default (new feature also privacy concerns), it is a bit paradoxical; the idea of the fraud protection is to prevent the average joe from being tricked by a fraud website. The idea of the average joe having to turn on this feature seems ironic: if he&#8217;s savvy enough to turn it on, then he probably doesn&#8217;t need it in the first place. It&#8217;s more for the average joe&#8217;s who don&#8217;t know how to turn it on who really need this feature. I think if they&#8217;re leaving it off by default, then there should be a prompt dialog allowing you to turn it on when you first use Opera, much like with mouse gestures. Something like: &#8220;This website could be a fraudulent site, would you like to turn on Fraud protection? [Yes] [No] [] Don&#8217;t remind me about this feature&#8221;, would be ensure that the average joe would still be able to easily turn the feature on.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: IceArdor</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/11/operas-new-fraud-protection-to-be-off-by-default.html/comment-page-1#comment-17752</link>
		<dc:creator>IceArdor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s wise to introduce a new feature as an option, and then over time, say when Opera 10 comes out, to make it turned on by default. But until then, it&#039;s very reasonable to leave it switched off. Opera is not about ready to sacrifice quality in order to add a little more protection to its users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s wise to introduce a new feature as an option, and then over time, say when Opera 10 comes out, to make it turned on by default. But until then, it&#8217;s very reasonable to leave it switched off. Opera is not about ready to sacrifice quality in order to add a little more protection to its users.</p>
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