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	<title>Comments on: Google Notebook built into the Opera Browser already</title>
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	<description>A blog covering the latest buzz on the Opera browser and its competition.</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Leif</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-58356</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opera is by far the best browser out there.
Why google isn't doing everything to help support such a good browser I can't figure out.

Google notes which we use at our company so employees can acess information over the internet would not be able to use the opera's notes since that is indepentant to the users computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opera is by far the best browser out there.<br />
Why google isn&#8217;t doing everything to help support such a good browser I can&#8217;t figure out.</p>
<p>Google notes which we use at our company so employees can acess information over the internet would not be able to use the opera&#8217;s notes since that is indepentant to the users computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Higher</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-14464</link>
		<dc:creator>Higher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the browser has con and pros but Opera's Notes just doesn't do the job of Google Notebook, so, bye bye Opera until both Google Calendar and Notebook are supported.

Remember it not totally fault of Opera, but they should do the strategic alliances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the browser has con and pros but Opera&#8217;s Notes just doesn&#8217;t do the job of Google Notebook, so, bye bye Opera until both Google Calendar and Notebook are supported.</p>
<p>Remember it not totally fault of Opera, but they should do the strategic alliances.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebhelyesfarku</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3934</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebhelyesfarku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 05:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Scrapbook extension for Firefox is the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Scrapbook extension for Firefox is the best.</p>
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		<title>By: jp10558</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3930</link>
		<dc:creator>jp10558</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 13:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don't get the point of sharing notes. Why would I want to share my research notes? I might want to share an edited post, but raw notes?

As to synching, I really think people ought to look at OSynch - which seems to take care of the entire mobile Opera profile thing. Of course, it'd be nice if Opera integrated this, but it is available for use. Better yet, it can encompass the entire browser profile (like a Windows Roaming Profile) as opposed to just one very small part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t get the point of sharing notes. Why would I want to share my research notes? I might want to share an edited post, but raw notes?</p>
<p>As to synching, I really think people ought to look at OSynch - which seems to take care of the entire mobile Opera profile thing. Of course, it&#8217;d be nice if Opera integrated this, but it is available for use. Better yet, it can encompass the entire browser profile (like a Windows Roaming Profile) as opposed to just one very small part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stahn</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3916</link>
		<dc:creator>Stahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 19:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the expected behavior of Google Notebook: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericajoy/tags/notebook/

Opera Notes is somewhat useful, but I insist that it lacks the feature of sharing what you've found. Yes, it's optional, but lacks it.

Anyways, it's not problem of Opera, it's Googlers lazyness.

If we want support, better flood the Google Groups boards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the expected behavior of Google Notebook: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericajoy/tags/notebook/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericajoy/tags/notebook/</a></p>
<p>Opera Notes is somewhat useful, but I insist that it lacks the feature of sharing what you&#8217;ve found. Yes, it&#8217;s optional, but lacks it.</p>
<p>Anyways, it&#8217;s not problem of Opera, it&#8217;s Googlers lazyness.</p>
<p>If we want support, better flood the Google Groups boards.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3908</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 22:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimmo-

I agree.  I was just trying to shed *some* light on the similarities, but yes, they are different and are for different requirements.  For me, the responsiveness of having it built into the browser is a greater requirement than having them available online for me.  But like I've said many times, I'd like to have that feature available in Opera Notes, just not at the cost of the tight integration.

I currently meet this (rare) requirement pretty easily by just emailing my notes file or the actual note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimmo-</p>
<p>I agree.  I was just trying to shed *some* light on the similarities, but yes, they are different and are for different requirements.  For me, the responsiveness of having it built into the browser is a greater requirement than having them available online for me.  But like I&#8217;ve said many times, I&#8217;d like to have that feature available in Opera Notes, just not at the cost of the tight integration.</p>
<p>I currently meet this (rare) requirement pretty easily by just emailing my notes file or the actual note.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3907</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 22:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a product?  I use Google.  I use Opera.  I like google.  I like Opera.

If you want a note-taking product that is fast, lightweight, no-frills, well integrated, I'd recommend Opera "Notes".  If you want a web-app based (re: always available, but the overhead of a web app) note-taking product that you can use a presentation medium, then use the Google's Notebook.  Also, if your research and internet hunting is so fascinating that others might want to see it as well, I'd recommend google again.

You're obviously baiting me by calling me a moron and attacking me personally when you haven't yet said anything about the points I've made (except ones you've incorrectly read).  If you feel the need to further point out my shortcomings, feel free to email me (usability at el73.net) and not waste everyone else's time who have come here to read about Opera Notes and Google Noteboook.

Good day sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a product?  I use Google.  I use Opera.  I like google.  I like Opera.</p>
<p>If you want a note-taking product that is fast, lightweight, no-frills, well integrated, I&#8217;d recommend Opera &#8220;Notes&#8221;.  If you want a web-app based (re: always available, but the overhead of a web app) note-taking product that you can use a presentation medium, then use the Google&#8217;s Notebook.  Also, if your research and internet hunting is so fascinating that others might want to see it as well, I&#8217;d recommend google again.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re obviously baiting me by calling me a moron and attacking me personally when you haven&#8217;t yet said anything about the points I&#8217;ve made (except ones you&#8217;ve incorrectly read).  If you feel the need to further point out my shortcomings, feel free to email me (usability at el73.net) and not waste everyone else&#8217;s time who have come here to read about Opera Notes and Google Noteboook.</p>
<p>Good day sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3906</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 22:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that one is portable and the other is local makes them different. Perhaps not entirely different animals, but having access to your notes in any browser you regularly use is very useful.

I may have the greatest note on the planet on my Opera at home, but that doesn't do squat for me when I'm at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that one is portable and the other is local makes them different. Perhaps not entirely different animals, but having access to your notes in any browser you regularly use is very useful.</p>
<p>I may have the greatest note on the planet on my Opera at home, but that doesn&#8217;t do squat for me when I&#8217;m at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Sairam</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3905</link>
		<dc:creator>Sairam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 21:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, flame. What the hell is your problem, there's nothing more annoying than people like you who think the world revolves around them and their products. I don't want to start a war. But if you do, do you really think you're up to it.
I'm leaving now, Calculus homework is more important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, flame. What the hell is your problem, there&#8217;s nothing more annoying than people like you who think the world revolves around them and their products. I don&#8217;t want to start a war. But if you do, do you really think you&#8217;re up to it.<br />
I&#8217;m leaving now, Calculus homework is more important.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3904</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 20:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I love how I was asked to be more open-minded.  Classic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I love how I was asked to be more open-minded.  Classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3903</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 20:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Links and images aren’t part of &lt;b&gt;notes&lt;/b&gt;, but the notes link back to the orginal pages right?"

Nice job flame-bait.  How about a little open mindedness?  I was talking about Opera's "Notes" I'm sorry I missed the capital there.  I tried to refer to google's offering as either "google's notes" or "notebook"

Who am I driving away?  I clearly stated that these are two products that approach the same problem in different ways.  I was just illustrating that everyone calling D.G. a troll and saying he's way off base was incorrect.  Yes, they are different.  But they are not apples and oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Links and images aren’t part of <b>notes</b>, but the notes link back to the orginal pages right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice job flame-bait.  How about a little open mindedness?  I was talking about Opera&#8217;s &#8220;Notes&#8221; I&#8217;m sorry I missed the capital there.  I tried to refer to google&#8217;s offering as either &#8220;google&#8217;s notes&#8221; or &#8220;notebook&#8221;</p>
<p>Who am I driving away?  I clearly stated that these are two products that approach the same problem in different ways.  I was just illustrating that everyone calling D.G. a troll and saying he&#8217;s way off base was incorrect.  Yes, they are different.  But they are not apples and oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: Sairam</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3902</link>
		<dc:creator>Sairam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 19:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie. Who told you Images and Links aren't part of Notebook, they are. Oh my god it's morons like you that drive users away. How about a little open mindedness.
Daniel, it is true you are sounding a bit like Asa. Change back man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie. Who told you Images and Links aren&#8217;t part of Notebook, they are. Oh my god it&#8217;s morons like you that drive users away. How about a little open mindedness.<br />
Daniel, it is true you are sounding a bit like Asa. Change back man.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3901</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 18:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stahn

I don't believe it's "about" sharing notes.  I believe that is a feature... yes a useful one.  But what it's about is notetaking.

I do see the desire of that functionality- sharing research notes with your team and all that, but it's still not an apples and oranges type comparison.

You have to give some credit to Opera in this regard.  Again- I'm not an expert on google notebook, so the following is said with a grain of salt, but:
my requirements for notes are fast, easy ways to get get relevant pieces of information (to serve as my reminder) and a link back to where I got it.  It has to be fast, and easy to do.  And it doesn't have to be pretty.  It's going to be formatted pretty when I get it where it needs to be (a blog post, word processor, or just deleted when I get the info I need)

I don't see google notes as meeting that requirement.  First, I don't care in any regard that I can share with others... here, I'll share a note with you right now... ready?  229531.  That's it.  That's a note in my note panel.  What do you care?  It means a good deal to me though.  I will say that I would like to be able to have one management point for notes.  I guess.  I really have work research and home research.  They rarely overlap, so this isn't a big issue to me, but a nice to have.

What google notebook does have is an interface that is patched on.  I admire that they made it as easy as right clicking, but there seems to be too much overhead in creating and managing/retrieving these notes to actually help in focusing on research gathering.

And why do I want to put images in them?  I have many other choices for word processing, blogging, sharing, etc.  For me, the research gathering process is an intermediate step.  I don't care that my text doesn't have images embedded in it.  it's all going to go into my blog post anyway... why worry about that stuff twice?

and in conclusion- I've had this post in my notes panel and added to it through most of the day.

I guess I've beaten this to death though...wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stahn</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s &#8220;about&#8221; sharing notes.  I believe that is a feature&#8230; yes a useful one.  But what it&#8217;s about is notetaking.</p>
<p>I do see the desire of that functionality- sharing research notes with your team and all that, but it&#8217;s still not an apples and oranges type comparison.</p>
<p>You have to give some credit to Opera in this regard.  Again- I&#8217;m not an expert on google notebook, so the following is said with a grain of salt, but:<br />
my requirements for notes are fast, easy ways to get get relevant pieces of information (to serve as my reminder) and a link back to where I got it.  It has to be fast, and easy to do.  And it doesn&#8217;t have to be pretty.  It&#8217;s going to be formatted pretty when I get it where it needs to be (a blog post, word processor, or just deleted when I get the info I need)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see google notes as meeting that requirement.  First, I don&#8217;t care in any regard that I can share with others&#8230; here, I&#8217;ll share a note with you right now&#8230; ready?  229531.  That&#8217;s it.  That&#8217;s a note in my note panel.  What do you care?  It means a good deal to me though.  I will say that I would like to be able to have one management point for notes.  I guess.  I really have work research and home research.  They rarely overlap, so this isn&#8217;t a big issue to me, but a nice to have.</p>
<p>What google notebook does have is an interface that is patched on.  I admire that they made it as easy as right clicking, but there seems to be too much overhead in creating and managing/retrieving these notes to actually help in focusing on research gathering.</p>
<p>And why do I want to put images in them?  I have many other choices for word processing, blogging, sharing, etc.  For me, the research gathering process is an intermediate step.  I don&#8217;t care that my text doesn&#8217;t have images embedded in it.  it&#8217;s all going to go into my blog post anyway&#8230; why worry about that stuff twice?</p>
<p>and in conclusion- I&#8217;ve had this post in my notes panel and added to it through most of the day.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;ve beaten this to death though&#8230;wow.</p>
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		<title>By: hmpff</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3899</link>
		<dc:creator>hmpff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 17:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Eddie/Daniel make some good points about how Opera's notes isn't a million miles away from this, but I still find it really annoying how often Opera gets excluded from these sort of things, especially on stuff where you can get around it by masking as another browser and everything seems to work fine (most recent example ive come across is AOLs admitidly lame youtube clone at http://communityvideo.aol.com/Main.do ).  

Fair enough  Opera users only make up a tiny minority but doesn't that tiny minority still represent something like 10-15 million (?) people..a  fair amount of people to risk generating bad blood with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Eddie/Daniel make some good points about how Opera&#8217;s notes isn&#8217;t a million miles away from this, but I still find it really annoying how often Opera gets excluded from these sort of things, especially on stuff where you can get around it by masking as another browser and everything seems to work fine (most recent example ive come across is AOLs admitidly lame youtube clone at <a href="http://communityvideo.aol.com/Main.do">http://communityvideo.aol.com/Main.do</a> ).  </p>
<p>Fair enough  Opera users only make up a tiny minority but doesn&#8217;t that tiny minority still represent something like 10-15 million (?) people..a  fair amount of people to risk generating bad blood with.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/google-notebook-built-into-the-opera-browser-already.html#comment-3896</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 11:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will also admit to not having a terribly long time to play with google's offering to get a full understanding.

From my point of view, it appear like comparing Opera's bookmarks to delicious.  They are different animals, but nobody has given up there own bookmarks in favor of on online solution entirely?  and I stand by my earlier link I posted that the only reason those are successful is because they provide first a value to the individual user before the "network"  So they are different but both are still bookmark tools right?

Is that your point with notes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will also admit to not having a terribly long time to play with google&#8217;s offering to get a full understanding.</p>
<p>From my point of view, it appear like comparing Opera&#8217;s bookmarks to delicious.  They are different animals, but nobody has given up there own bookmarks in favor of on online solution entirely?  and I stand by my earlier link I posted that the only reason those are successful is because they provide first a value to the individual user before the &#8220;network&#8221;  So they are different but both are still bookmark tools right?</p>
<p>Is that your point with notes?</p>
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